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Bolou Member
Joined: 2011/3/18 Posts: 9 Malaysia
| Born Of Water - John 3:5 | | Greetings Men & Brethren!
I'm kinda new in here and this is my first post.
Plse, got a question to ask and here it is:
What does Jesus mean by being 'born of water' and 'of the Spirit' in John 3:5?
I was asked by someone, a brother but couldn't really explain that. Need some help! _________________ Gbanaibolou-Faith Burutolu
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2012/4/17 15:17 | Profile |
hulsey Moderator
Joined: 2006/7/5 Posts: 653 Missouri
| Re: Born Of Water - John 3:5 | | Some interpret it to mean natural birth and spiritual birth.
I believe that it is referring to baptism and spiritual birth as others interpret it. _________________ Jeremy Hulsey
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2012/4/17 15:26 | Profile |
Bolou Member
Joined: 2011/3/18 Posts: 9 Malaysia
| Re: | | Thanks bro! But how is water baptism a requirement to see the Kingdom of God? Ought not baptism for the saved? Nicodemus was an unsaved man you know.
And I ain't convinced Jesus was saying, unless he is baptised in water he cannot see the kingdom of God.
I believe the other part, 'born of the Spirit' could also mean 'spiritual birth' as you said cos at birth we are born by the Spirit. _________________ Gbanaibolou-Faith Burutolu
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2012/4/17 15:30 | Profile |
hulsey Moderator
Joined: 2006/7/5 Posts: 653 Missouri
| Re: | | I didn't say water baptism, I said baptism :).
Jesus' meeting with Nicodemus is in relation to the ministry of Jesus and that of John the Baptist. When Jesus told Nicodemus that the religious leaders did not receive 'their' testimony he was speaking of himself and John. John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. _________________ Jeremy Hulsey
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2012/4/17 15:42 | Profile |
Bolou Member
Joined: 2011/3/18 Posts: 9 Malaysia
| Re: | | Okay? Cool;
So, what's your answer? Haven't gotten it yet! What does 'born of water' signify? _________________ Gbanaibolou-Faith Burutolu
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2012/4/17 15:52 | Profile |
jimp Member
Joined: 2005/6/18 Posts: 1481
| Re: | | hi, the whole chapter is about being born... how can i reenter my mothers womb? it is about natural birth (carnal)and being born from above(spiritual)unless you are born of the spirit you have no spiritual life. |
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2012/4/17 15:54 | Profile |
Bolou Member
Joined: 2011/3/18 Posts: 9 Malaysia
| Re: | | Thanks!
Gotten, but that's the latter part. What about the first part, 'born of water'? _________________ Gbanaibolou-Faith Burutolu
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2012/4/17 15:57 | Profile |
MichaelLiao Member
Joined: 2011/4/24 Posts: 214 Toronto, Ontario, Canada
| Re: | | Hello Bolou,
In John 3:5 where "born of water and Spirit" is mentioned is actually not referring to water baptism. It is actually cross-referencing back to Ezekiel 36:25-27, "I (The LORD) will sprinkle CLEAN WATER on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my SPIRIT within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules." This is the promise of the new birth. Water is referring to the cleansing of regeneration. It also references back to Ephesians 5:26, "that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word."
In Christ,
- Michael Liao _________________ Michael Liao
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2012/4/17 16:04 | Profile |
MichaelLiao Member
Joined: 2011/4/24 Posts: 214 Toronto, Ontario, Canada
| Re: | | That is why Jesus confronted Nicodemus in John 3 saying, "Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things?" (John 3:9) Nicodemus knew the Tanakh (The Old Testament) inside out and he would have understood it when Jesus said being born out of water and Spirit, due to its referencing in Ezekiel 36.
It would be dangerous if we interpreted "born of water" as water baptism, because salvation is completely the work of God in Christ Jesus. If entering the kingdom of God requires water baptism, I think the thief on the Cross would have ended up in hell.
In Christ,
- Michael Liao _________________ Michael Liao
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2012/4/17 16:08 | Profile |
Bolou Member
Joined: 2011/3/18 Posts: 9 Malaysia
| Re: | | Hi Michael,
Wow, Wow! Thanks! I think you nailed it! Thanks once more! _________________ Gbanaibolou-Faith Burutolu
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2012/4/17 16:13 | Profile |