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 War on U.S. homeschoolers escalates



Justices on the U.S. Supreme Court, caught up in the high-profile Obamacare arguments that started today, have refused to intervene in a case where deputies threatened parents with the forced removal of their children unless they agreed to let social workers, who did not have a warrant or probable case, search their home.

The stunning conclusion came in a lawsuit brought on behalf of John and Tiffany Loudermilk, who sued officials after a confrontation at their Maricopa County, Ariz., home in 2005.

A district court judge ruled a reasonable person would believe the Loudermilks’ decision to allow social workers to search their home was coerced, in violation of the 4th Amendment, but the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the search was proper.

The case may not be finished yet, as the opinion from the 9th Circuit was unpublished, which means that it is not binding on future cases. Also, when ...

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 2012/3/27 13:05Profile









 Re: War on U.S. homeschoolers escalates

Ominous is the word; Our liberties as believers are being diminished each and every day as Satan's head arises in the red cloud of Marxism and Obama's forced Socialism to dominate.

We are persecuted for hate speech, for quoting the bible; We are kept from gathering in our homes in some areas. [San Diego? I think, where no more than 3 Christians can meet in home meetings.]

And they want our children to have Darwinism/Atheism forced down them, along with the satanic philosophies it carries; IE...We came from evolved animals, therefore any sexual union is just fine, and we MUST respect them under penalty of Law, and the God hating doesn't stop there. It is woven into every subject taught, and I must add, there are very, very few bright Christian witness in our education system, very few.

Our children are innocent, and sensitive, and believe what they are told. It is time for every parent to withdraw their children from this monstrosity of the public school.

I have visited the underground church in China where they face the same dilemma. There the govt. OWNS your children, and will do as they see fit with them. We are just a little behind them here.

Prayer is the only thing that can help us now. Things have changed so quickly, and more-so every day. Trust and fear God, and keep His commandments, for He has not, nor ever will, forsake anyone, WHO SEEKS AFTER HIM!

 2012/3/27 13:28









 PRO-homosexual EDUCATION IN CALIF. KINDERGARTENS

I ran across this; though solicited as a fund raiser for a Pro-life institution, and though it relevant...[ Not an endorsement ]

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 2012/3/27 17:01









 Re: PRO-homosexual EDUCATION IN CALIF. KINDERGARTENS

We homeschool, and I used to say that homeschooling was a calling and that not every Christian is called to homeschool, and that some people had no choice but to put their kids in public school. (In America, that is... other countries have differing laws obviously)

I no longer say that. Dont misunderstand me, I do not pass judgement on someone who keeps their kids in public school... but I do believe you have to be outside your mind.

There is no justification scripturally for throwing our children to the wolves. Most parents who "have no choice" and "must" send their kids to public schools are in that situation because they are in debt up to their ears because of their own materialism and selfishness...and so both parents have to work.

"Our children are a light in the darkness... they are missionaries." I can tell you that probably 98% of kids from Christian homes are NOT light in the darkness, but rather are living like the dark. After 7 hours of instruction 5 days a week... and rarely any instruction at home... Christian kids are not in any way an influence on the public schools. There are VERY rare occasions. But thats not the norm at all.

The alarming rate with which kids raised in the church are leaving the church once they reach 18 bears this out.

Learn to live without. Live in a trailer of you have to, but make your children the priority. Mom can start an at home business. My wife started an online store and in her first year topped $50,000 in sales. (Approx $40k in profit... until Uncle Sam showed up to collect taxes!) It CAN be done! It just depends on how obedient and committed you are. It depends on how badly you want to make it work. If you love your children enough you will be willing to sacrifice anything... God prooved that as our Heavenly Father.

Be "shade for the children" and protect them. Teach them as the Bible COMMANDS you to.

Christian schools can be a alternative, but you have to be very careful about them too.

But to turn your children over to the public schools is akin to asking Satan to be your child's educator. And the student will be like the master.

Krispy

 2012/3/28 9:03
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 Re: War on U.S. homeschoolers escalates

This reminds me of stories that leaked out from the former Soviet Union back when communists had tight control over its citizens.

Parents were forced to sent their children to state-run schools who taught atheism, had to deal with youth clubs that worked to enhance their philosophy.

Anyhow...this was the situation Christians faced and had to deal with. Non-compliance put them at risk of having their children removed form their homes and placed in state run institutions, like orphanages.

There is one inspiring story - never was verified, unfortunately - that proved to challenge me when I was a young mom.

A couple had a large family and taught their children well, atheism notwithstanding. The local powers-that-be was irked and decided to remove the children from their home and placed them in an orphanage. They did this but they did not take into account the working of the Holy Spirit. He used these children to evangelize this orphanage!

Not all children bereft of parents have such a glorious ending. During the Reformation an Anabaptist couple with a small child was burned at the stake - I think - for their faith. They had a small child that was placed in a non-Anabaptist home. This child grew up never embracing the faith of his parents, nor did any of his descendants.

One can easily lament the intrusion of government officials into the family, telling them what they can and cannot do, putting your children at risk. However, there are many parents who through their own selfishness and unforgiveness will put their children in similar risk but it is called divorce, sanctified by even church leaders.

Now, who is the greater offender?



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 2012/3/28 9:48Profile
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This is disturbing.

However, I think that we would need to see the actual case to determine why the SCOTUS didn't review the case. There could be any number of reasons.

However, there is no doubt that there is a "free exercise" clause of the US Constitution protects the parents' right to educate their child as they see fit. I suspect that this case -- or one like it -- can eventually make its way through the appeals process.

As for the importance of home schooling...

I was saved while I was a student. Private schools were not an option and "homeschooling" was quite foreign to us. So, I attended a public high school. I did quite well in school and was able to share Christ with many teachers, staff members, administrators and, of course, fellow students. I even helped form a Bible Club at my school.

Yes, there were classes where some of the lectures (or items in books) conflicted with the faith. However, I knew the Lord and nothing that I was ever told or instructed could ever change that. And, yes, there is temptations in public schools as well. However, I counted those things as opportunities to serve the Lord under such circumstances.

After graduation, I went on to attend public universities. Again, I did very well both spiritually and academically. I was able to share my faith with professors and students. I was involved in Christian student organizations and took part in prayer meetings, Bible studies and "Church" meetings on campus (on a weekly basis).

I know that it might be ideal to provide students a homeschool education. However, it isn't feasible for some families. In many families, both parents must work (or a single parent must be the breadwinner). Some parents are also ill-equipped to prepare children academically. And, sadly, I later met individuals who sort of "cheated" their ways through Christian school or homeschool academics.

The ACE (Accelerated Christian Education...or "School of Tomorrow") curriculum and philosophy was used at our church, but most of the children under-performed on college entrance exams (like the SAT or ACT). Of course, there may have been different reasons for this...and it is possible that some children might actually excel. Unfortunately, most of the children from our church school scored well below the national average on such exams (except the paltry and misleading California Achievement Test).

Still, my wife and I don't have children yet. We aren't sure WHAT we will do for our children when we have them. Currently, my wife is employed as a teacher at a Christian school. This is a high-achieving school focused around very strong Christian principles. Many of the students' parents work at various companies around the Silicon Valley and want their children to be prepared for a top tier education while not compromising their faith.

Of course, I support homeschooling no matter what. While it isn't necessarily ideal for EVERYONE, there is NO DOUBT that this is a basic "free exercise" right and a great opportunity under the right circumstances.

My wife and I have discussed the possibility of homeschooling our children (when we have them). I suspect that my wife would make a great teacher for our kids. At the same time, we would have to pray long and hard about whether or not to homeschool them at the high school level.


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Christopher

 2012/3/28 14:50Profile
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"Unfortunately, most of the children from our church school scored well below the national average"

Unfortunately, such is the case in our church as well. Many opt to home school, or else they did - it seems to be changing. The issue is not whether to send a child to a public school, it is whether to spend the money for a Christian School.

It is very disheartening to see grown guys get up front in church to read and stumble over words. How can these fellows expect to lead a group of people who can read better then they? Hey! I am not talking about the ability to do calculus, I am talking about simple reading! Females cannot look up to males as leaders who cannot read well!! If they do not feel the confidence from the females we will be regarded as rebellious or unsubmissive!

Pointing out the weakness among home schoolers is not a popular one in some quarters. They will get defensive... Since poor reading does happen among home schoolers the gov will feel justified to intervene. How much of this gov meddling is due to home schoolers lack of diligence in learning/teaching remains to be seen.

Thanks, Chris, for being brave enough to introduce this topic.


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Sandra Miller

 2012/3/28 15:06Profile









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we would have to pray long and hard about whether or not to homeschool them at the high school level.



Everyone says that... we said that... now we have a 17 yr old and a 15 yr old so that makes us "homeschool high school veterans" ... and we have LOVED it. Wouldnt trade it for anything. I actually think homeschooling high school kids is a lot more fun and exciting than little kids.

In fact, we know hundreds of homeschool families, and I would guess that of all the families that began homeschooling at 5 yrs old, maybe 2% put them in the public school when they reached high school.

When you do have kids... things will become a lot clearer for you and your wife.

Krispy

 2012/3/28 15:25









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Pointing out the weakness among home schoolers is not a popular one in some quarters. They will get defensive... Since poor reading does happen among home schoolers the gov will feel justified to intervene. How much of this gov meddling is due to home schoolers lack of diligence in learning/teaching remains to be seen.



I think that if you look at the national average what you are describing is not normal among homeschool families. Do some slip between the cracks? Yes. Some slip thru the cracks of the public school. Thats just the way it is.

In North Carolina homeschool families have to have their kids tested, and there are many different tests available that the state will accept. The funny thing is that homeschoolers are NOT allowed to take and then file the same "end of grade" testing that the public schools administer.

Want to know why? This is what Congressman Charles Taylor (when he was still in Congress) told my wife... the reason is because homeschoolers on average score 8 points higher than public school kids, and therefore if those were turned into the state it would not give the state an accurate bead on how the public schools are doing.

Thats a fact. So are there pockets where homeschoolers are not doing as well? Absolutely (and I will refrain from any jokes about Mississippi! lol). But you can go to HSLDA's website and see what the facts are concerning how well the average homeschooler is doing compared to the average public schooler. It will blow you mind.

Krispy

 2012/3/28 15:57









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Pointing out the weakness among home schoolers is not a popular one in some quarters. They will get defensive... Since poor reading does happen among home schoolers the gov will feel justified to intervene. How much of this gov meddling is due to home schoolers lack of diligence in learning/teaching remains to be seen.



I think that if you look at the national average what you are describing is not normal among homeschool families. Do some slip between the cracks? Yes. Some slip thru the cracks of the public school. Thats just the way it is.

In North Carolina homeschool families have to have their kids tested, and there are many different tests available that the state will accept. The funny thing is that homeschoolers are NOT allowed to take and then file the same "end of grade" testing that the public schools administer.

Want to know why? This is what Congressman Charles Taylor (when he was still in Congress) told my wife... the reason is because homeschoolers on average score 8 points higher than public school kids, and therefore if those were turned in to the state it would not give the state an accurate bead on how the public schools are doing.

Thats a fact. So are there pockets where homeschoolers are not doing as well? Absolutely (and I will refrain from any jokes about Mississippi! lol). But you can go to HSLDA's website and see what the facts are concerning how well the average homeschooler is doing compared to the average public schooler. It will blow you mind.

Krispy

 2012/3/28 15:57





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