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 Pastor Faces Federal Suit for Sharing Views on Homosexuality



A Massachusetts pastor has landed in federal court to defend himself for sharing his opinion on homosexuality and pornography.
A foreign group called Sexual Minorities of Uganda (SMUG) filed suit against Scott Lively based on the Alien Tort Statute (ATS). The ATS provides a cause of action for violations of international laws that are “specific, universal and obligatory.”

Courts have found torture, cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment; genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity; summary execution, prolonged arbitrary detention and forced disappearance to be actionable under the ATS.
The lawsuit claims that beginning in 2002, Lively preached in Ugandan churches and shared his opinion on homosexuality and pornography. It further claims that as a result, some members of the so-called LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex) community faced discrimination—and one in ...

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 2012/3/24 11:14Profile









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This is what happens when a “little” knowledge gets in the head of the religious. The religious think that something they are doing is 'good' compared to what another is doing. The reality is that this pastor’s indwelling sin nature makes him as guilty of sodomy as those who commit it. These things are indeed evil, and do not make one acceptable before God, but who among us will claim that what they do is fully acceptable before God??

The pastor causes people to look at the evil in others when the same evil is resident in both themselves and himself, so he did not do his job and should come under fire.

Turn from sin, turn from sin, and turn from sin some more, and when you think you have done enough turning you have only just begun… Good thing we are justified by faith rather than sanctification!!

OJ

 2012/3/24 11:57









 Re: Pastor Faces Federal Suit for Sharing Views on Homosexuality


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 2012/3/24 12:23









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James 2:10   For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Since none are sinless, ALL are guilty of ALL.

Romanism focuses on the sin in another....

OJ

 2012/3/24 12:43









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We're judged according to the deeds done in our body and by our works. That would mean that you are taking just one verse and also using it out of context of that letter by James and even just that one chpt.

Someone that is not practicing adultery, will not be judged for adultery. Those that are, will. Romans 1 lists a whole host of seperate sins toward the end - and each will be judged only by the one or ones that they have actually commited.

We don't stop preaching The Word of GOD in it's entirety on the grounds that we haven't attained to the full Image of Christ.

GOD is only concerned with those that are preaching against a certain sin and are commiting that particular sin themselves. Rom 2.

Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

We're commanded to preach the Gospel - the Full Counsel of His Word, to save the lost, to save lives and also to restore the backslidden.

1Ti 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.


The way you use that one verse would silence the entire Church from doing what His Word commands we do and preach.
Only those that are practicing a certain sin and preaching to others against that particular sin is called a hypocrit by GOD and should repent of doing both.

Phil 3:12-19

 2012/3/24 13:06
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Turn from sin, turn from sin, and turn from sin some more, and when you think you have done enough turning you have only just begun… Good thing we are justified by faith rather than sanctification!!



I am reminded of John Newton who for quite some time after his conversion continued in the slave trade. Talk about a despicable sin - a Christian saint failing to resist the brutal suffering and deaths of so many unfortunate victims: the black slaves! But that’s not the ultimate issue. God used Newton’s immense remorse later over his sin to inspire Wilberforce in his stand against slavery.

If God could transform John Newton and use his long season of failure, surely God is able to transform homosexuals who come into the kingdom - even if not yet squeaky clean. Perhaps the felt need to pronounce homosexual sin so repetitively is an indication of weak faith in the transformative power of God. It is no doubt God’s people who need transforming first.


After all, “there is no difference, for all have sinned….” God looks at the heart and there he may see little difference between the unrighteous pagan and the self-declared “righteous. It’s the same. What is the sin issue: resisting God’s grace.

When I first saw this thread I thought: Oh here we go again. There is a lull in the discussion, and now it is overcome by resurfacing our favourite topic. .... But that’s me rolling my eyes, and God is not pleased with that. Here's another perspective:

The more this “homosexual” topic surfaces here, the more convinced I am that God will use these very people to do a marvelous work in our fallen world – for his glory – not unlike what he did through John Newton. After all here is a people group who knows shame and rejection. Oh how sweet the name of Jesus is to such kind of people.

And the villains of the faith will become the heroes of the faith. And we will be silenced.

Diane




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 2012/3/24 14:45Profile









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According to His Word, this sin is listed with all the others - as seen in Romans 1, Gal, Corth - so I don't see that anyone is singling out this as anything worse than drug addicts, child molestation, murder, adulterers and so forth and I certainly do believe that they can and are being delivered daily - but as far as the Church ever being 'silenced' on any of these sins - I surely hope not - for the sake of the preachers of righteousness that are saving lives and souls at the same time.
Jesus said, that these sins will only increase before He returns [as it was in the days of Noah & Lot] and because of these sins, the 'love' of most will wax cold.

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The way you use that one verse would silence the entire Church from doing what His Word commands we do and preach.
Only those that are practicing a certain sin and preaching to others against that particular sin is called a hypocrit by GOD and should repent of doing both.



That ONE verse drives a nail through yours and everyone’s professed righteousness. And there are others in Romans 3 as well, that is what they are meant to do.

Now regarding your LISTS, being FEARFUL to tell us your full name, the verse below drives a nail through your profession just as much as you want to drive a nail through another's.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

It is just as damnable as anything else on the list.


OJ

 2012/3/24 16:08









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pretty important is the difference between willful sins and secret faults. The word of God is 100% clear that their are professing Christians who call Jesus Lord and will be damned to hell and there are also professing Christians who call Jesus Lord that will inherit the kingdom.

The grace of God that saves teaches us to deny ungodliness. We are saved by grace but that same grace works practical rightousness in the life of a true believer. It may not look exactly the same, follow the same timeline, it may involve more or less chastisment, etc but it will be taking place in the life of a true believer according to the word of God.

1John 3:7-10 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

 2012/3/24 16:18
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This is what happens when a “little” knowledge gets in the head of the religious. The religious think that something they are doing is 'good' compared to what another is doing. The reality is that this pastor’s indwelling sin nature makes him as guilty of sodomy as those who commit it. These things are indeed evil, and do not make one acceptable before God, but who among us will claim that what they do is fully acceptable before God??



Actually, as I abide in Christ and His word abides in me I am fully acceptable before God, not because of what I do but because of what He has done.

It seems like you're saying that we should not reprove and rebuke sin in others unless we ourselves are sinlessly perfect. I cannot agree with this. No, we should not point a hypocritical finger at others but God's word clearly teaches that loving our neighbor includes rebuking his faults on matters that are clear in Scripture, and sexual sin is quite clear in Scripture.

Also, you rebuke the pastor for pointing out sin in others before his congregation but the word of God says that this is what we should do, so that people may fear...Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. (1Tim 5:20)

Let the politicians and the Old_Joe's mumble in their beards but let the truth be heard; homosexuality and lesbianism are an absolute deviation from the perfect standard of God's word.

In Christ,

Ron


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