Hi Brother Earl.

You said "Women preaching, no worries. Women in authority over men ....."

I agree, as I stated, I won't sit under a woman Pastor. Your view about "women preaching" - I can't quite agree with. A woman being asked to speak in an evening service, such as Elisabeth Elliot would or Corrie Ten Boom, that's different than being the main source in the main service.

What I gave is my theory of why I believe that DW gave her a position before things happen in this country that he wrote about.

I don't know all about how they are doing things there - but is she "in authority over men" or just "preaching"? - as you differentiated those two in your post.

Others here would know more about the services and could answer that. Do they feel she's usurping authority?

There is a good sermon on this site by Derek Prince called "Women in the Church" (part 1 & 2)... It doesn't answer all of the questions but it is a very foundational and balanced. https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=206&min=40&orderby=titleA&show=20

hi, when len ravenhill would minister in my home ,he would go on and on until martha would say ...okay k=len that is enough for now and he would stop immediately and say yes dear martha..in five minutes they would be out the door..every great preacher i have known and know has practiced on his wife and all bowed to her opinion.if you go to an othodox sevice today... the woman and the men are still seated separately and that is why it was important that the women not shout out questions to their husbands.jimp

I am not going to bother to add my 2 cents worth to this conversation because everyone already knows where I stand on it. It's clear to me that women are not called to preach where there are men present. There is nothing to debate where scripture is clear without getting into opinions, which mean nothing.

I would like to comment on something that someone said earlier in this conversation though...

Been studying Joshua of late, and have been struck by a principle that seems to run through his story. When Moses struck the rock, in my mind, that seemed a small thing, it seemed there was some wiggle room in that one. Yet it was so vital to God that Moses could not enter in.
In the first few chapters of Joshua, we see a man following directives that honestly seem a bit tedious, and devoid of meaning. Now, in hindsight, we view these things in wonder, as they reveal God's glory and faithfulness, and picture his redemption and deliverance through Jesus Christ. They are a witness to the nations.
I view the women's role in the church as another divine revelation. I don't see it as another tedious rule to follow, a legalism to yoke ourselves to, but rather as pictue of His Son, His relationship to His Father and to the church. I would tread lightly on this account. There is nothing that I have to say that is so profound that another could not say it, and would in anyway be worth risking a bruise on the fair image of our Savoir. That alone is what constrains me.
Seems like we as women are put in conflict with our natural disposition on this point. But, strangely, some how we may be honoring His image as much by what we refrain from doing as by what we do.
I say this NOT to say I conclude that this particular ministry is in anyway in error. I have to defer to the elders, that they have prayerfully examined this.
Thank you for helping me examine this topic.

Brother Josh, my husband listened to the Derek Prince video....thank you, it was very helpful.

"I agree, as I stated, I won't sit under a woman Pastor. Your view about "women preaching" - I can't quite agree with. A woman being asked to speak in an evening service, such as Elisabeth Elliot would or Corrie Ten Boom, that's different than being the main source in the main service."

I agree with JIG about sitting under a woman pastor. This is also where, today, a lot of our confusion comes from. We have to try and figure out how to shove the teachings of scripture into an institutional mold. There were no services of course in the early church, and a plurality of elders sitting among the brethren - not dominating the meeting through a false clergy-laity divide.

I am very interested in what this looks like in the early church style meeting rather then in the modern IC.

In Christ Jim

Is it right for a woman to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to an unsaved man???

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PQ

good question! my take on that would be that, yes, there is precedence scripturally for a woman to share the gospel and all scriptural truth, both by word and by example, with both men and women. What is in dispute hear is the early church pattern seems to direct women not to take the role of teacher in the assembly. 1 Timothy 2:12 connects that function of one of authority, and Paul warns us not to do that.
I myself am often admonishing, exhorting my own husband, and at times have done so with other believers, some men. this is more on a person to person basis.
As older women we are compelled to teach the younger women.
The issue seems to come down to the assembly of believers and how we are to conduct ourselves in that setting, in view of the representation of the Sons submission to the Father, and the Brides submission to Christ. it is a small grace He gives us to honor that image.

QUOTE:
"I will take this one step further... any time a believer stands steadfastly upon the Word of God, other self-professing Christians (who generally take a stand on nothing) will label that person a pharisee."

And a legalist.

Just thought I would add to your list, Krispy.

Seems to me if people would study the OT law and study the doctrine of the Pharisees they could see what they did was modify OT law to suit their own selves. What the Pharisees taught is a far cry from what the law did.

'Nuff said.

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Sandra Miller