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Joined: 2008/4/12
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Hampshire, UK

 My Grief over this forum....time to close?

I don't think I am the only one here, but my spirit is deeply grieved (and I believe the Holy Spirit of God is grieved) over what has been posted recently on various topics.

Over the last week or so we have had postings that call those who who call sin what it is 'legalists'; we have had a total disregard for what scripture teaches us about the difference between men an women in favor of 'experience' or 'what feels right' and now we have posts that deny the very Word of God!

I am not intersted in debating any of these subjects any more with you on this thread, so don't even start.

I can accept there are legitimate points that can be discussed around each of these topics, but this is not what I read. What I read is an undermining of the very foundations of our faith. The enemy is at work and where are those who are supposed to be 'moderating' this site??

This website has been a blessing to many (including me)over the years, but maybe it is time to close down at least this forum? It is not glorifying to God and does not 'promote' Christ-centred revival.

May God have mercy on all these attacks on His word (yes HIS word)and grant repentance, without which there is no hope of any revival in the USA or Europe if this is the standard of the Christian church here.

I'm not sure I will continue to participate on this site, it is just too grievious to me!


 2012/1/13 3:58Profile

Joined: 2004/2/12
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Independence, Missouri

 Re: My Grief over this forum....time to close?

Dear brother, I appreciate your concern. Surely these forums have always experienced challenges over the years making them difficult to moderate at times. There is only a limited amount of time we can spend policing here. This is why Greg has asked repeatedly for prayer and asked that everyone follow the community rules. These forums are not the place to bring an agenda and many posters have been counseled with and unfortunately some have been banned in times past. Sadly, some reregister under a different name and try to post their agenda again when afforded opportunity. They get caught and are banned again, etc.

The solution for abuse is not non-use it is right-use. If the enemy attacks something it is because he sees it as a high value target. Prayer, perseverance and diligence are in order. Where sin abounded grace did much more abound. I think the same can be said here. The forums are useful for good. I will post the rules again for those new to the site. God Bless. Robert

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 2012/1/13 6:59Profile

Joined: 2005/2/24
Posts: 2732

 Re: My Grief over this forum....time to close?

Hello Heydave,

I certainly can relate to your grief over recent topics. It sometimes seems that people are more interested in deconstruction then in building up!

Sermon Index attempts to maintain a welcoming posture towards fellow believers from various denominations and cultures around the world. In this context, it might surprise people to know that the moderators aren't here to regulate everyones doctrine, but to simply keep conversation civil. This posture is not without it's trade offs. For instance, on a personal note, although i visit the forum repeatedly throughout any given day, i refrain from participating in most discussions, specifically because of my role as a moderator.

This posture is also not without it's risks. Over the years, this forum has seen conservatives and liberals, evangelicals and emergents, spirit filled and atheists engage one another...and often with frustrating, trying results. Yet, in the end, those who are more concerned with provoking and challenging, rather then encouraging and feeding, tend to grow distracted and move on.

And along the way, inspite of the ebb and flow of discouraging conversations that can arise here, there are some really good conversations. And along the way, I've met some truly encouraging saints...many of whom I am truly humbled to be friends with:)



Mike Compton

 2012/1/13 7:13Profile

Joined: 2009/12/4
Posts: 1860

 Re: My Grief over this forum....time to close?

Brother Dave,

SI and the Forum are HUGE in content, this being said I would say why read the threads that you don't like to read? There is plenty of other things to read, I found many of the Devotional Thoughts threads are neglected while the controversial ones you are pointing to seem to get the attention. If you don't appreciate the topic ignore them no ones is forcing them upon you. Better yet start up a thread with the Godly topic you desire to discuss.

God BLess,

Matthew Guldner

 2012/1/13 7:26Profile

Joined: 2011/3/8
Posts: 171



You are not alone in feeling grieved by some of the threads on SI which have been discouraging rather than edifying.Just wanted to say that there are a few threads on here like the ones on mortification, some on devtional thoughts which have been a blessing. Also the miracales that follow the plow and current events are good threads to follow or read as they allow us to serve one another through prayers.

I agree with Mike that where sin abounds grace abounds much more. We need to pray and ask for wisdom and discernment from above so as to be able to hold fast to what is good.

Those who are led by the spirit will be in agreement with Him and those sheep will not be led astray.They are mature and rooted in their faith they will not be moved by false teachings or heresies.

Just continue to seek the Lord and he will guide you in the right path. To fellowship with other believers is essential for every believer. We are not perfect so where ever you go you will find things that will grieve you but the joy of the Lord will be strength. Trust in Him and ask Him to help use your grief for His Glory through Spirit led intercession for the saints.

love in Christ



 2012/1/13 7:40Profile

Joined: 2010/1/9
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 Re: My Grief over this forum....time to close?

Hey HeyDave. Be an overcomer and speak life as the Lord gives you grace to shine. It sounds like you have a heart for truth so speak it with life and live in the joy of the Lord!



 2012/1/13 11:05Profile

Joined: 2005/2/24
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Compton.....I certainly can relate to your grief over recent topics. It sometimes seems that people are more interested in deconstruction then in building up!

I agree! I posted a thread a month ago or so, "Can We Talk About Jesus"

11 folks wanted to say something about Jesus, 372 did not.
IMO, a lot of threads here have become agenda based, without God in mind. If you don't believe me just read some of them. I started the thread "Can We Talk About Jesus" just so we might all talk about the person that brought most of us here, 11 responses? go figure!


 2012/1/13 11:22Profile

Joined: 2006/7/31
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 Re: My Grief over this forum....time to close?

Greetings dave

I wanted to say that if my recent post to two of the threads I believe you are speaking about caused you grief then please forgive me. It was not my intention to grieve any fellow believer. In the one thread that you created I really did think that you were not aware of the legalist thread. So again I hope I did not cause offense. I am truly sorry if I did...

God bless

 2012/1/13 11:39Profile

Joined: 2005/5/2
Posts: 3777



Heydey, I think I can relate. I know the experience of grief in this setting. Yet those times when my grief had flooded over, I have also received tender ministry here. Then I realize that God cares about my burdens. But he is also moving me on: Fellow SIers - even through the exasperating moments, serve as God’s grace builders - God’s means of strengthening my listening ability, my thinking skills, my patience, and my compassion. From that perspective, good can come out of our discussions - as stressful as it may be at times.

And oh ... if we could share a coffee at Starbucks – we may even find ourselves enjoying each other’s company.

I refrain from participating in most discussions, specifically because of my role as a moderator.

I miss your words of wisdom, brother Compton!



 2012/1/13 12:22Profile


HeyDave wrote ... "Over the last week or so we have had postings that call those who who call sin what it is 'legalists'; we have had a total disregard for what scripture teaches us about the difference between men an women in favor of 'experience' or 'what feels right' and now we have posts that deny the very Word of God!"

Last night I wanted to reply to this thread when I saw you post it. Now I'm glad that I didn't.

I was going to say last night, 'be encouraged' - there are Brothers defending these topics that you've mentioned and there were - but the only thread that was locked was because of one man who is a bit off in his understanding on the OLD TESTAMENT Law - or was it just his way of expressing his understanding - I'm not sure - but the topics that you mention go on and well, it's seems they're going to keep in the direction that you specifically pointed out.

When bringing divisions and getting followings and getting cliches going is more important than unity and loving each other - that is the 'heart' of the problem - not merely beliefs. I don't see that to be "In Spirit and in truth".

Has The Holy Spirit indeed 'authored' these threads?, is what I also asked on the first thread that pushed the limits of going beyond anything that's written - but when other threads were opened on the other topic of our very foundation - what the Apostles were Assigned to write after His Resurrection for us - and the 'subtlety' of the wording could blind-side a new believer on these topics and deceive - I believe any good that was written by our Brothers up until yesterday has been drowned out.

Last night I felt encouraged - today is another day.
Praying with you and the others that you mention in your opening sentence.

I know now why the LORD kept drumming "many shall be offended" into my mind a week ago - Offended "because of The Word."

The Emerging Church is budding or actually flowering.

 2012/1/13 12:43

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