The Bible makes it clear that our old self, the old man has been completely crucified, buried and destroyed by Christ. Romans 6:1-23; Gal. 2:20

Now this old self consisted in everything that I was in Adam as a result of his disobedience.

Christ, the last Adam has undone the all the damage that Adam did.

The heart of man in Adam was deceitful and entirely wicked. This is what God in Christ removed, replaced and exchanged for a pure, clean heart that contains His love, faith and even obedience in it.

We are told to reckon ourselves complexly dead to sin. Now this would be impossible if God in Christ had not already crucified us with Him. The reckoning does not make it true or somehow establish this fact. That is imposable! The only reason we reckon ourselves to be dead is based on what God in Christ has already accomplished for us and in us.

When Adam sinned he lost his union from God and died to God. He only had one nature or heart and it was completely contrary to God.

When we are born again, we experience the taking away of that old self that we were in Adam and then we become a new creation in Christ. At that second we experience a completely clean and pure heart.

We only can have one heart or nature at the same time. It is impossible to have two hearts or natures at once.

We do still have a corruptible body and a mind that needs renewed, but neither of these are our true nature.

When we were born again we did embrace the GIFT of Righteousness. Romans 5:12-21.

Now all this is the Gospel, the good news of what God in Christ has already accomplished for us and in us.

Growing in Christ is just the never ending discovery Of what He has already done and accomplished for us and in us.

Now the truth of the Gospel message is that God has already provided the only solution possible for sin and mankind's condition once and for all. God Himself has done everything necessary for your complete and total salvation. There is NOTHING left out or lacking.

He has accomplished it ALL.

Now I will continue to preach this message of the Gospel of the finished work of God in Christ because it is the only possible message that contains the power of God for total and complete salvation for mankind.

Romans 1:16, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."

If Christ is in me and every man is presented perfect that is in Christ. Is Christ perfect? If He is now my spirit and without His Spirit in me I am none of His, then that part of me that is Christ by His Spirit that dwells in me is perfect. I don't see any other way for Christ to be in me and that which is Christ be perfect.

My soul is becoming perfect and I have not attained to perfection in my soul/mind yet, but we do have the Mind of Christ and again that part of my soul/mind is perfect also, if Christ is perfect.

My flesh will be perfect in the resurrection, not yet, but my body has been quickened to contain the full God complement of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. This is the One Spirit all believers are baptized into.

Paul is the only person who has this understanding of how the born again believer functions in Christ by the Christ in him.

New birth, old birth destroyed at the Cross, New Creatures in Christ.

I stand perfect before the Father perfect, because the Father does not depend on me for perfection, that is why He birthed the incorruptable Seed of Jesus Christ, The Father's Seed in me.

God has made by the Christ in me, Christ wisdom, Christ righteousness, Christ sanctification and Christ redemption.
1 Cor 1:30

I believe this is what tuc is saying, if I am oversteping anybodies boundries, please forgive me. This must come by revelation which Paul certainly has, which came into Him when Paul was knocked off his horse, spoken to out of Heaven by Jesus Christ Himself, blinded and sent to the person God had already prepared to receive Paul and send him on the fulfillment of the ministry Jesus Christ gave him, which Paul calls his Gospel the fulfillment of the Word of God.

In Christ: Phillip

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Quote When Adam sinned he lost his union from God and died to God. He only had one nature or heart and it was completely contrary to God.

True Adam lost his union from God…Remember Adam was a being of three parts Spirit, Soul and Body… When Adam died to God it was his Adam’s spirit that died to God….

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Quote: When we are born again, we experience the taking away of that old self that we were in Adam and then we become a new creation in Christ. At that second we experience a completely clean and pure heart.

When we are Born Again it is man’s Spirit that is Born Again and we become a new creation in Christ…but the heart or soul is not clean and pure…

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Quote: We do still have a corruptible body and a mind that needs renewed, but neither of these are our true nature.

Right there your saying to me that you’re aware that something needs to change “mind that needs renewed”. In my previous post I pointed out that the heart in the bible was made up of the Mind, will and emotions…

Lets look at the mind in the bible and see where it puts it…..

Gen 6:5 And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Gen 24:45 And before I had done speaking in my heart,

Gen 27:41 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart

Prov 4:4 And he taught me, and said unto me: Let thy heart retain my words; Keep my commandments, and live;

Prov 8:5 O ye simple, understand prudence; And, ye fools, be of an understanding heart.

Prov 15:14 The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge; But the mouth of fools feedeth on folly.

Now I could go on and on and on but the bible clearly states that the heart is where imagination thoughts words understanding and it seeks knowledge…

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Brother Phillip,

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My soul is becoming perfect and I have not attained to perfection in my soul/mind yet, but we do have the Mind of Christ and again that part of my soul/mind is perfect also, if Christ is perfect.

My flesh will be perfect in the resurrection, not yet, but my body has been quickened to contain the full God complement of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. This is the One Spirit all believers are baptized into.

Gal 5:24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

So what does this scripture mean? We know the body will change in the twinkling of the eye For the corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:53

Gal 5:24 must pertain to the soul which is described in the bible as the heart these words confirm it “passions and desires”

Prov 6:25 Lust not after her beauty in thy heart; Neither let her take thee with her eyelids.

Ps 78:18 And they tempted God in their heart By asking food according to their desire.

The bible clearly places the desires and lust in the heart. It’s the “stony heart of the flesh” that needs to be put to death…

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Quote: Paul is the only person who has this understanding of how the born again believer functions in Christ by the Christ in him.

If the Holy Spirit revealed it to Paul he the Holy Spirit can reveal it to you or me also…

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Gal 5:24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.


Quote: """So what does this scripture mean? We know the body will change in the twinkling of the eye For the corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:53"""

Gal 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ", never the less I live, YET not I, but Christ liveth in me: the life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God."


Quote: """Quote: Paul is the only person who has this understanding of how the born again believer functions in Christ by the Christ in him.

If the Holy Spirit revealed it to Paul he the Holy Spirit can reveal it to you or me also…"""
Amen

He gave it to Paul to fulfill the word of God and give it to us. Just reading the word and it being revealed by the Holy Spirit are two different things. Paul said, when it pleased God, who chose Paul from his mothers womb to reveal His Son in Paul. It is still pleasing to God to reveal His Son in us also. "Ye must be born again"

In Christ: Phillip

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Paul says, "I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live" (Gal. 2:20).

All through the Word of God we find that crucifixion precedes deep spiritual power.

Not only must God break down the sins of a sinner in order to convert him, but in those who are truly regenerated He must break down their wisdom, learning, prudence, their churchly training and prejudice, their narrow-mindedness, their knowledge, their righteousness.

It takes the Lord just about as long to break down a Christian man’s righteousness as to break down a sinner’s unrighteousness. Do not misunderstand me that God ever breaks down His own wisdom or righteousness or strength, but He breaks down that form of wisdom, righteousness and strength which sprouts and grows out of human nature.

Whatever originates in self, in the creature nature, must be crucified in order that the creature may be wedded to Christ through the Holy Ghost, and from that sacred union derive other wisdom, righteousness and strength infinitely superior to that of any creature.

We are to let go not only our wicked selves, but, also, our seemingly pious selves in order that we may take hold of God.

The Secret Of Spiritual Power By George D.

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Excellent post, you have a clear understanding of scripture. But sadly it is reaching the ears of people who wants to hear only things that they want to hear. Truth is not their objective, only hearing pleasing things is their objective.

Any of these Posters who say that their life is already like Christ, let them look into their own life to see how it is compared to life of Christ. They either find million difference but still believe a lie that they are christlike already, because they think believing a lie is faith. Or they really do not know anything about Christ and think this defeated life is actually the life that Christ lived.

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Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Philippians 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

Who is our perfection?

Philippians 3:8-21 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Perfect in Christ,not in self.

In Christ:Phillip

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Quote: Any of these Posters who say that their life is already like Christ, let them look into their own life to see how it is compared to life of Christ. They either find million difference but still believe a lie that they are christlike already, because they think believing a lie is faith. Or they really do not know anything about Christ and think this defeated life is actually the life that Christ lived.

God spoke to me many years ago what he said was this “the church is dead” …..….

Quote: Now the truth of the Gospel message is that God has already provided the only solution possible for sin and mankind's condition once and for all. God Himself has done everything necessary for your complete and total salvation. There is NOTHING left out or lacking.

He has accomplished it ALL.

Christ has accomplished it all that’s true…..

But here is the lie the twist in the tail….

Quote: Growing in Christ is just the never ending discovery Of what He has already done.

The gospel message has been reduced to a “never ending discovery” there is no mention of dying to self and personal holiness… It’s made to sound like some Walt Disney Movie the “never ending discovery”

True, there is perfect holiness in Christ for the believer, but there must also be a holy nature received from Him.

Genuine Christians discover so much carnality, filth, and vileness in themselves this difficulty is not solved in justification, by recognizing that though completely unholy in ourselves we are holy in Christ, for Scripture teaches that those who are sanctified by God are holy in themselves

For without personal holiness "no man shall see the Lord" Heb. 12:14

As He which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation (behavior); because it is written, Be ye holy for I am holy" 1 Pet. 1:15-16

There must be a impartial compliance with the revealed will of God and departing from evil which issues from faith and love.

There must be that directing of all our actions to the glory of God, by Jesus Christ, according to the Gospel.

There must be a spirit of holiness working within the believer's heart so as to sanctify his outward actions if they are to be acceptable unto Him in whom "there is no darkness".

The faith of God's elect is unto "the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness" Titus 1:1. It is a faith which purifieth the heart (Acts 15:9), and it grieves over all impurity.

If "even Christ pleased not Himself" Rom. 15:3, how reasonable is it that we should be required to deny ourselves and take up our cross and follow Him Matt. 16:24, for without so doing we cannot be His disciples Luke 14:27.

If we are to be conformed to Christ in glory, how necessary that we first be conformed to Him in holiness: "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself so to walk even as he walked" 1 John 2:6.

"Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity" 2 Tim. 2:19 Let him either put on the life of Christ, or drop the name of Christ.

Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light Eph 5:14

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