And Not that i was "holier-than-thou" Krisp, but i got to say - that i personally hated being around them that cussed and used vulgar speech. (period/full stop) that was the way i instantly felt and furthermore i wanted to remove myself away from it as far as i possibly could (YUK) (yuk) (yuk)

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Bro Stephen

Thanks for the clarity on that confused me there for a bit ;)

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Matthew Guldner

Don'y worry krisp i haven't!!! okay i haven't. But i think the new testament Christian has advantages that even the old testament (Jews) didn't have. And He is called the Holy ghost. Dissect it anyway you want. But I would say the comforter within is a huge advantage! Don't you?

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Bro Stephen

I guess that's where we might differ in belief persuasion. Old nature or New nature... ( as a born again christian) yes?no?

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Bro Stephen

Might I make a slight suggestion? It can be ignored.

Maybe, Krispy, if you edit the line that seems to have become the focus of the thread, we might get back on track.

Also, since it is that how much change takes place in a person upon salvation has surfaced, let's look at this scripture in Acts 8v18.

'And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money'.

Was Simon now a Christian or not?

But, that is not the topic in question. The topic is the vulgar and foul language used in churches today, even by pastors and other leaders. And it is becoming an acceptable trend.

God help us.

Let me say this also krisp! And being someone that has done the hard yards. I.e Street witnessing for years and years and getting down in the gutters with people hurting ( And with no direction in life ) Etc So i am no arm chair advice giver at this point! But people transformed granted might have an occasional slip-of-the-tongue. Okay granted, okay! But languague puncuated and proliferated with the constant "f" word (etc) ....Yeah sorry. But i have an issue with that. I do!!

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Bro Stephen

All's im gonna say is ... 2nd natures ...become new natures in christ (i thought) you are saying (teaching) there is a delay process - whilst we catch up. But that seems to contradict the term (conversion) or am i missing something here? please explain?

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Bro Stephen

This actually raises another very interesting question: Oh you say? Well if one is born again by the spirit of God and has absolutely No knowledge of doctrine or scripture whatsoever .... doesn't he or she still(know) somethings are right and wrong? and isn't the whole point of water baptism a public acknowlgement that - that old man is both dead and buried? i.e Roman chapter six? correct me if im wrong - someone please? Where is understanding on these issues? and happy to be told i am wrong if this is the case. As i am here to learn.! sincerely, son of thunder...

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Bro Stephen

Can i ask, When you were still cussing as a christian how did that make you feel? remorseful? did you loathe it? did your conscience burn? did your conscience give you no rest? Did you say wait a minute these "f" words are just wroonnngggg?

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Bro Stephen