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Hemel Hempstead

 Christian unity in the guise of deception: ecumenical movement

This is an issue which is facing every christian. How the christian church sells itself out to Rome. The blood of martyrs paid for the protestant faith.People like William Tyndale.
The guise of the Christian unity movement wanting to unite with Roman Catholics to show the world that the christian world is united from People like J I Packer
http://www.seekgod.ca/ect.htm

My problem is that I am finding the ecumenical movement permeating every part of the christian world. As working in the christian bookshop everything from the Emergent church movement to other movements.

I have seen churches lose there firm basis to evangelizing to say catholics who are unsaved and going to hell.

I wish I could fully document who and who is not. It would be a shorter list to put who is not in the ecumenical movement


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Dominic Shiells

 2011/8/20 7:52Profile









 Re: Christian unity in the guise of deception: ecumenical movement

I think of Rick Warren...who claims millions under his influence; a champion of unity among the Muslim, the Jew, the Catholic and the Christian...proclaiming the same God ruling among them all, and the houses of worship as a global network to facilitate his socialist agenda.

The NAR also, and IHOP, which practices the Roman Catholic Babylonian Monasticism as the gospel in their prayer rooms., and receives ALL other Catholic prayer ministries as fellow workers. These include Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner, C. Peter Wagner, and there-by the entire crowd that follows them. Bickle and Joyner travelled to the Vatican, and met the Pope.

I think of YWAM, and Loren Cunningham, and the Billy Graham Crusade organization, and Campus Crusades for Christ....who ALL throw back the Catholic converts to Jesus back to the jaws of the Roman Beast.

As far back as 1994...the War was on. There was a international Unity document signed called "Evangelicals and Catholics together"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicals_and_Catholics_Together

"The evangelical signatories include Bill Bright of Campus Crusade for Christ, Os Guinness of the Trinity Forum, Richard Mouw of Fuller Theological Seminary, Mark Noll of Wheaton College, J. I. Packer of Regent College, Pat Robertson of Regent University, Larry Lewis of the Home Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention, Richard Land of the Christian Life Commission, Jesse Miranda of the Assemblies of God, and John White[disambiguation needed] of Geneva College."

Southern Baptists and the Assembly of God?..This was unthinkable 40 years ago....but not now. The result though , is much more subtle, for it is chiefly influenced in numbing Doctrine. Soon, extreme grace floods in, God is Love, and repentance from dead works is a dirty word, and self-denial and the Cross we must all bear to die to ourselves...to live to Him, are historical.

Then we see the fruit of ecumenical thinking. It is all about mankind, the blessing that God gives us...Health, Happiness and Prosperity becomes our rights, and of course the world also. Blood washed Gospel teaching and Preaching are replaced by messages for a better life...Your Best Life Now...your best marriage, family life...on and on.

This has replaced Evangelicalism....and the sad thing is that most of the sheeples don't have a clue. God is good...and the Romans, the Hindi's, The Muslim, the Buddhist...ALL worship Him...with just a different language.

I'm glad you brought this up....because it needs to be exposed and confronted...and Preached against...as the poison lie. The church needs to return to the fiery Salt of the Word...and know their Bibles...and believe...that there is only one Way to God....to the Truth, and the Life...and it is His Blood, and only His blood, that can cleanse you, and YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN!

Then you have the Holy Spirit of Promise that will GUIDE you into all Truth...as you walk with Him.

I have led Catholics to Christ. I ask them to renounce the adoration of Catholic Mary as the demon Queen of the Heavens, a vile devil, and never pray to, our exalt her again.

I also proclaim the same over the Pope, and his legion of unclean Priests, as servants of Satan, and ALL of their lying doctrines, and pray with Catholics to renounce the evil, and receive the true Jesus, savior of all. Now, we have Islam to deal with the same way. Allah is a demon...and people need Jesus; the truth.

This is a wonderful statement of how and why the Gospel message is salt and fire...and the Truth in us is the salt of the World. TRUTH!


20 "Bring me a new bowl," Elisha said. "Put some salt in it." So they brought it to him.

21 Then he went out to the spring. He threw the salt into it. He told them, "The Lord says, 'I have made this water pure. It will never cause death again. It will never keep the land from producing crops again.' "

22 The water has stayed pure to this very day. That's what Elisha had said would happen.

Preach and stand on the Truth...that gospel of the Martyrs that stood the test....as they were butchered and burnt by that sweet Catholic Rule.

It has not changed today..just the faces, and the laws that prohibit the same.


 2011/8/20 9:20
Veronica226
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The ecumenical movement scares me. Mostly because it, as well as moral relativism, is so sneaky and can pervade our thinking without us even knowing it. (Especially those of us who are younger.) I see it in young adult and youth circles all the time. But I've also seen it in older folks who just want there to be unity. This is scary.

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Southern Baptists and the Assembly of God?..This was unthinkable 40 years ago....but not now. The result though , is much more subtle, for it is chiefly influenced in numbing Doctrine. Soon, extreme grace floods in, God is Love, and repentance from dead works is a dirty word, and self-denial and the Cross we must all bear to die to ourselves...to live to Him, are historical.

Then we see the fruit of ecumenical thinking. It is all about mankind, the blessing that God gives us...Health, Happiness and Prosperity becomes our rights, and of course the world also. Blood washed Gospel teaching and Preaching are replaced by messages for a better life...Your Best Life Now...your best marriage, family life...on and on.



I just wanted to say that the reason this happens stems from something you said a little later...
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The church needs to return to the fiery Salt of the Word...and know their Bibles.


Over and over and over I keep coming to the conclusion that the reason people believe so many weird things is because most professing christians don't read their Bibles, except maybe when they're in church (but even THAT is getting less and less). In the church I'm in, it's like pulling teeth to get people to read their Bibles! I remember the discipleship class we were in, people were saying it was a chore to read their Bible every day.
Well, that's why people are being so easily led astray. Gotta ground yourself in the Word.


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 2011/8/20 18:29Profile
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Hemel Hempstead

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Is there any churches that are not in the ecumenical movement ?


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Dominic Shiells

 2011/8/27 15:45Profile









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I think, though in these times I cannot be certain, that Grace Community Church under Dr. John MacArthur is not part of the ecu. movement. Maybe Coral Ridge Presbterian Church under or that was under D. James Kennedy. When the Catholic evangelical declaration came out both John MacArthur and D. James Kennedy along with R. C. Spruill were on the John Ankerberg show speaking out against the declaration. I watched this program several years ago and remember the info was very enlightening. Though presentation is dated the truth is very relevant. I believe the series can still be ordered from the John Anketberg ministries in Chatanooga TB.

I believe Trinity Baptist Church under Pastor Al Martin is opposed to this declaration. Both Al Martin and John MacArthur are contemporaries. Both of these men are solid in the word.

I do not know about the younger pastors such as those in their 30s and 40s. Steve Lawson used to be my pastor in Little Rock. I heard a sermon by him the other day. He seemed as solid as ever. I can only imagine he is opposed to ecu. The same might be said for Lance Quinn who took over Steve's ministry here. Lance was disciplesd by John MacArthur and probably.would have succeeded him had Lance not moved to Little Rock. From what I understand Lance and his church are not into ecu.

So be encouraged. There is a 7000 that have not bowed their knee to the bail of ecu.

Blaine Scogin

 2011/8/27 16:34





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