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This doctrine is pre everything. Most definitely pre post modernism. Yours is the general and mistaken interpretation.I myself took the scriptures literally before I saw the true meaning.

 2011/8/19 10:33









 Common Union

When I think of Communion, I think of the root phrase...COMMON UNION. Paul claims to have received direct revelation as the Apostle to the gentiles. 1 Cor.11

The common union of Christ is about unhindered Fellowship with God, and walking with Him unhindered in His body. The Lord sees the heart on the same level...and NOT honoring the Body...is very simply Not honoring Him.

Slighting the body, or rejecting any blood washed son or daughter through pride, or selfish ambition...is the exact same as rejecting Christ Jesus.

Let's say; showing hospitality as a lifestyle to God's family...but rejecting the weakest..[true believers] maybe they smell...hunger...aren't as couth as you would like...] You have not rightly discerned the body of Christ...and YOU WILL be judged by the Lord...the HUSBAND of the Body...Jesus

If you join to a true body..and refuse to learn to love the least...to honor the least...as Christ Jesus Himself...then you have defiled the body...and brothers and sisters...it is a Worldwide body. Never Forget..."AS MUCH AS YOU HAVE DONE IT TO THESE....THE LEAST OF MY BROTHERS....YOU HAVE DONE IT TO ME!"

"YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUIT!"..You are known by God by your ability to love, and manifest mercy just the same...and then laying your life down for the least of the sisters and brothers is not a Burden...it is a Joyful privilege. This IS the ministry.

It centers around Jesus, and because of His Blood...and willful Dying...to redeem a doomed race...US!..and His Church is so identified with Him, as His living Eternal Temple...He is Jealous for ALL of his children...and died for All...to adapt all.

So, the waiting...KJV "tarrying"...on one another...is about searching our hearts to examine our actions toward the Church...and then the World. God so loved the World...See Stephen forgiving his murderers, as Jesus did. This is a pure heart, that He seeks.

Common Union stems from a Blood Washed, free and spotless Church...and those who refuse to love...refuse to show mercy to their brothers...but live a selfish and proud life....are rejected...and fall under the curse..You bring Damnation, or judgment to yourself, for you benefit from the Salvation of Jesus, but refuse to honor Him...by honoring his holy Church.

He related:......"For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, ""Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me!""

After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, ""This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.""

""For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.""

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.!!

For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

Communion is a Covenant...that I will repent of my sin, and covenant to love God, and lovingly lay my life down for the Church...no matter who...and forgive them, honor them, and receive them...as Jesus.

There are no spiritual heads in the church...only ONE...JESUS. The Clergy often think they are....but they are not...and often have a hard time breaking out to serve the true Church....and in my opinion....are generally the ones who have fell under the curse that Communion brings...more than the common....for it is about common union...not an elite ministry class.

iT IS ALSO by faith...AND THE ELEMANTS...THE CRACKERS AND GRAPE JUICE...have no spirituality in themselves...but are but a focus point...and a clear and mandated one...to REMEMBER...search!....as you consider Jesus' death for us all...and confess you failure to Him...and to those you have slighted or rejected.

I ask the Lord to see me covered by the Blood of Jesus, as I confess my pride, hatefulness, and sins each and every day...many times. This is the gateway to Communion with God, and His family.

I also pray for the sick..and by grace, have seen the Lord heal some...in real and DR.confirmed ways......but some sickness cannot be healed by God...they will not be...until their is deep repentance from not rightly discerning and acting upon WHO belongs to Him, and WHO does NOT!

 2011/8/19 10:35









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Moving away from this "other understanding" ...

Personally I began having communion in this fashion on my own and have had some really sweet times with the Lord early in the morning. (and you know it's special if I use the word "sweet" to describe it)

There is a "mysterious" element to it that I was surprised by. Not some weird thing, but just an intimacy that surprised me.

We also have communion together as a family sometimes too. My wife will make a loaf of bread and we pass it around the table, each person breaking off a piece. Something very special about that.

Krispy

 2011/8/19 10:35









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Quote:
This doctrine is pre everything. Most definitely pre post modernism. Yours is the general and mistaken interpretation.I myself took the scriptures literally before I saw the true meaning.



Thank you for saying that...

THAT, folks, should tell you everything you need to know.

Krispy

 2011/8/19 10:37









 Re: Brenda

Sister I have to agree with krispy. What we call the Lord's supper or communion was not a pointless Jewish ceremony. Jesus taught that the last supper would introduce the new covenant which we are living under. The whole point of communion is to remember his sacrificial death on the cross for our sins. The apostles continued to teach this in the early church.

But even in the Old Tesament the Jewish ritual of passover pointed to the ultimate sacrifice of Christ for sin. I cannot comment on Quaker theology, but I believe the Salvation Army holds to the traditional understanding of the Lord's supper.

Blaine

 2011/8/19 10:41
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1Cor. 11:28-- But let a man examine himself, AND SO LET HIM EAT OF THAT BREAD, AND DRINK OF THAT CUP.

Isn't this verse very clear, krautfrau? "Let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup." There's only one interpretation you can get from that.

 2011/8/19 10:48Profile









 Re:

Martyr... you "have to agree" with me?? lol! You sound apprehensive, my friend! :-)

Krispy

 2011/8/19 10:48









 Essential Doctrine of Christ hidden in the ceremony.

Common Union..LIFE OR DEATH?.a spiritual application..[bump..]

When I think of Communion, I think of the root phrase...COMMON UNION. Paul claims to have received direct revelation as the Apostle to the gentiles. 1 Cor.11

The common union of Christ is about unhindered Fellowship with God, and walking with Him unhindered in His body. The Lord sees the heart on the same level...and NOT honoring the Body...is very simply Not honoring Him.

Slighting the body, or rejecting any blood washed son or daughter through pride, or selfish ambition...is the exact same as rejecting Christ Jesus.

Let's say; showing hospitality as a lifestyle to God's family...but rejecting the weakest..[true believers] maybe they smell...hunger...aren't as couth as you would like...] You have not rightly discerned the body of Christ...and YOU WILL be judged by the Lord...the HUSBAND of the Body...Jesus

If you join to a true body..and refuse to learn to love the least...to honor the least...as Christ Jesus Himself...then you have defiled the body...and brothers and sisters...it is a Worldwide body. Never Forget..."AS MUCH AS YOU HAVE DONE IT TO THESE....THE LEAST OF MY BROTHERS....YOU HAVE DONE IT TO ME!"

"YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUIT!"..You are known by God by your ability to love, and manifest mercy just the same...and then laying your life down for the least of the sisters and brothers is not a Burden...it is a Joyful privilege. This IS the ministry.

It centers around Jesus, and because of His Blood...and willful Dying...to redeem a doomed race...US!..and His Church is so identified with Him, as His living Eternal Temple...He is Jealous for ALL of his children...and died for All...to adapt all.

So, the waiting...KJV "tarrying"...on one another...is about searching our hearts to examine our actions toward the Church...and then the World. God so loved the World...See Stephen forgiving his murderers, as Jesus did. This is a pure heart, that He seeks.

Common Union stems from a Blood Washed, free and spotless Church...and those who refuse to love...refuse to show mercy to their brothers...but live a selfish and proud life....are rejected...and fall under the curse..You bring Damnation, or judgment to yourself, for you benefit from the Salvation of Jesus, but refuse to honor Him...by honoring his holy Church.

He related:......"For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, ""Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me!""

After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, ""This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.""

""For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.""

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.!!

For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.

And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

Communion is a Covenant...that I will repent of my sin, and covenant to love God, and lovingly lay my life down for the Church...no matter who...and forgive them, honor them, and receive them...as Jesus.

There are no spiritual heads in the church...only ONE...JESUS. The Clergy often think they are....but they are not...and often have a hard time breaking out to serve the true Church....and in my opinion....are generally the ones who have fell under the curse that Communion brings...more than the common....for it is about common union...not an elite ministry class.

iT IS ALSO by faith...AND THE ELEMANTS...THE CRACKERS AND GRAPE JUICE...have no spirituality in themselves...but are but a focus point...and a clear and mandated one...to REMEMBER...search!....as you consider Jesus' death for us all...and confess you failure to Him...and to those you have slighted or rejected.

I ask the Lord to see me covered by the Blood of Jesus, as I confess my pride, hatefulness, and sins each and every day...many times. This is the gateway to Communion with God, and His family.

I also pray for the sick..and by grace, have seen the Lord heal some...in real and DR.confirmed ways......but some sickness cannot be healed by God...they will not be...until their is deep repentance from not rightly discerning and acting upon WHO belongs to Him, and WHO does NOT!





 2011/8/19 10:51









 Re:

Quote:
I believe the Salvation Army holds to the traditional understanding of the Lord's supper.



Actually Brenda is correct. They also do not baptise.

On both counts the Salvation Army is wrong. So are the Quakers.

Krispy

 2011/8/19 10:52









 Re:

Sorry I meant a more literal. Some things have a deeper meaning as well as the literal one.

 2011/8/19 11:01





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