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Brenda... please explain how you get from here (scripture) to the conclusions you made about communion and what Paul was saying?

1 Corinthians 11:20-30

When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

 2011/8/19 10:01
ginnyrose
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 Re: Communion question

John 13:1-20 NASB

1 Now before the Feast of the Passover, Jesus knowing that His hour had come that He would depart out of this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end.

2 During supper, the devil having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, to betray Him,

3 Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come forth from God and was going back to God,

4 got up from supper, and laid aside His garments; and taking a towel, He girded Himself.

Jesus Washes the Disciples’ Feet

5 Then He poured water into the basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girded.

6 So He came to Simon Peter. He said to Him, “Lord, do You wash my feet?”

7 Jesus answered and said to him, “What I do you do not realize now, but you will understand hereafter.”

8 Peter said to Him, “Never shall You wash my feet!” Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me.”

9 Simon Peter said to Him, “Lord, then wash not only my feet, but also my hands and my head.”

10 Jesus said to him, “He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you.”

11 For He knew the one who was betraying Him; for this reason He said, “Not all of you are clean.”

12 So when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments and reclined at the table again, He said to them, “Do you know what I have done to you?

13 “You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am.

14 “If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet.

15“For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you.

16“Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him.

17 “If you know these things, you are blessed if you do them.

18 “I do not speak of all of you. I know the ones I have chosen; but it is that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘HE WHO EATS MY BREAD HAS LIFTED UP HIS HEEL AGAINST ME.’

19 “From now on I am telling you before it comes to pass, so that when it does occur, you may believe that I am He.

20 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives whomever I send receives Me; and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.”

It is from this scripture the NT church gets the instructions to observe communion - instructions from the LORD Jesus himself.

This ritual was introduced at the passover which Jesus observed with his disciples and as a replacement of the passover ritual. He indicated that this was to be observed in the future, v. 14-17.

Since this ritual is a replacement for the passover which was held once a year, we also observe it once a year. Not only do we take the fruit of the vine, we also use unleavened bread and wash each others feet - literally.

Washing feet: men-men, women-women. The deacons set out basins of warm water into a private room. The ladies will go to one and the men to another. Shoes and socks are removed, then one person sit on a chair, put his/her feet into the water while another will kneel down in front and will proceed to wash the persons' feet in front. Feet are then dried with a towel and they exchange places. After the feet have been washed these two persons will give each one a kiss of charity!

This is a very meaningful ritual. It teaches one so much about servanthood: am I willing to stoop down to do the lowest task for my brother or sister in our brotherhood? Including the washing of their feet? even if it is a ritual? It is not a ritual without meaning - it is rich and can only be understood when obeyed.

God bless you - hope this helps.

ginnyrose


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Sandra Miller

 2011/8/19 10:01Profile









 Re: Mguldner

Brother the key verse is 1 Cor.11:26 which says for AS OFTEN as you eat this bread and drink the cup you proclaim the Lord's death until he returns. Conclusion you can do communion any time, anyplace, as often as you wish. Just make sure your heart is right before him and he will honor your remembrance of him at his table.

Blaine

 2011/8/19 10:16









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Agreed that Paul was rebuking the disorderliness amongst them but not prohibiting the ceremony.

`Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.`

So what does unworthily mean to you Krispy? What is discerning the Lords body? Those who partake unworthily are not, non Christians. They would not have been found in the early church.

Thisis not a new doctrine, it has been accepted as part of the church for a long time asd in Quaker belief and also Salvation Army belief.

 2011/8/19 10:17









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`For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.`

I understand Paul tyo be saying that they are unworthy as they are saying the Lord has not come - well He has not for them. He is not dead but the ceremony was for during His death.

 2011/8/19 10:21









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Ginny read the article by Fox.

 2011/8/19 10:23









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Unworthily is obvious by the description Paul gave of what was going on. People were not observing it with the reverence it deserves.

I'm sorry, but your exegete is whacked. I have no idea how you do not understand plain English here. This does not require a seminary degree to understand this. Paul says "Whenever you partake..." and then describes how to partake.

I dont care what the Quakers believe, or the SA. If they teach something other than that which the Bible CLEARLY teaches... they are wrong.

Krispy

 2011/8/19 10:25









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Quote:
`For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.`

I understand Paul tyo be saying that they are unworthy as they are saying the Lord has not come - well He has not for them. He is not dead but the ceremony was for during His death.



You're joking, right? Please tell me you're not serious.

Krispy

 2011/8/19 10:26









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Paul is not commanding them to partake, he is merely saying what should be done when they do ie no disordlinerss and what the result is of not understanding the real meaning of communion with Christ.

`For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.` yes he is saying that they are declaring He has not come but He did come again from the grave

You mean it is clear to your own interpretation. I am telling you of another understanding.

 2011/8/19 10:29









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Ummm... there is no "other understanding".

Very post-modern of you! :-)

Wow...

Well, fortunately scripture does not leave any wiggle room on this, so folks who read their Bibles will not be deceived by this "other understanding".

Krispy

 2011/8/19 10:31





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