Hi All,
The true colors of the European Union were shown today.
The leaders of France and Germany met today excluding all other "so called partners" were excluded and want to bring in full euro zone governance.
Merkel and Sarkosy have tried today to take a further step away from democracy today asking for a government of the euro zone which will be totally un demecratic.
Huge day in Europe today,Yours Staff

it is not sure if they will really do it. They threatening the other countries to do this, because most of the countries in europe (especially southern europe) are not saving money and they are making more and more debts. germany is very strict concerning debts, they don't want to make more debts and the are trying to safe money.

Some european countries are employing people with very good salary and much holidays - but now the countries have no money to pay their employees (teachers, police , etc) thus they have to loan money from other european countries (especially germany) and they are destroying the finance-system.

Imagine if they tried pulling this in the United States ;)

I would say our debt is a bit out of control, should other countries say/ do something ;) With all seriousness debt always makes the lender the master.

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Matthew Guldner

recently I found some scripture I think it was in deuteronomy, where it says that borrowing money is a sign that you are under a curse and the sign that you are under blessing is that you always give money to others. This is very convicting, not only countrywise, but also personally.

If there is a rift between Germany /France and the rest of Europe, it might share similar characteristics to the one that is strong here in the US.

Here in the US, the majority of domestic households are in a widespread and long term de-leveraging mode, while our government is in a long term borrowing and spending mode. The result is that the people here don't trust that the US Congress and President are being responsible towards the well being and future of the country.

I'm not familiar with all the technical minutia of the economics in Europe, but if Germany and France pleas for deficit reduction are falling on deaf ears, I can understand if they are wanting to take matters into their own hands.

In the next ten years, the measure of a leader, whether they are running countries or families, will be measured by a single virtue; debt management.

Mike

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Mike Compton

Thats exactly how I see the situation here in europe and especially in my country, germany.

There is a additional problem in the EU: Some EU countries have a very weak economy and the richer countries have to pay for the weaker countries.

Scarey yet exciting times, no matter how you slice it.

Krispy

Quote: Imagine if they tried pulling this in the United States

Quote: I would say our debt is a bit out of control, should other countries say/ do something.

It has already started my friend....

"International supervision over the issue of US dollars should be introduced and a new, stable and secured global reserve currency may also be an option to avert a catastrophe caused by any single country," Xinhua said.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread736918/pg1

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Colin Murray

Hi ALL,
Whether or not Germany/France pulls it off this time or not it is now out in the open what alot of christians have been saying that what europe really want is a federation of countries with a president.This will then fall into the hands of the AntiChrist through intrigue.
It is immportant to remember that historically Germany would be nothing without US reconstructing it after the war.
Also countries like Greece,Portugal,Ireland are only recieving money from Germany/France to pay back lenders from Germany and France.
Measures announced by both countries yesterday in no way help the ecomonmic situation but it does help europes political aims.
The bible says that ulitimately the devils plan for Europe is not Gods and ends in total failure.We cannot be united except in Christ,Yours Staff