I have seen where Joel refused to speak out that Jesus Christ was the only way. My question is this, do we condemn every person that darkens the doorway of his building? The subject reads about Joels new building/meeting place, and then mentions Rick Perry. Should we attack both men? Is Rick Perry and Joel Osteen condemned to hell already? Has judgement day passed? Should we harp on others wrongs and blast it out in the forums? Maybe Joel or Rick haven't yet heard all that we accuse them of? Maybe we are their last hope? I say these last few lines foolishly of course. But I pray that if I stray in someway that you would all pray for me and seek the Lord on my behalf.

Here is what I am thinking, please correct me if I'm wrong. If we know the truth and hold tight to it in our own life then what do we have to fear? If we see our neighbors or family involved in something that isn't leading them closer to our Lord Jesus then we should speak to them in love and concern. If someone at work is involved in questionable things and they are Christian then shouldn't we, in love, approach them after much prayer and guidance from the Holy Spirit?

I just don't understand the constant pointing of fingers. Questionable acusations towards the body. Are we so pure of heart that we can see all tares and all wheat? If we are in Christ Jesus and He is in us don't we feel more a need to help, pray, and work to pull the body together rather then split it more. Don't you notice how we hurt one another by condemning others?

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Bryan Reed

Brother you are right and we all stand convicted. May God forgive us. Blaine

"Do we condemn every person that darkens the doorway"?


I would remind you that this is a large church with a few doorways. This gospel which is no gospel at all is being imported all over the doorways of the world. Countless millions will spend eternity in torment because of its attraction to their flesh. If the body of Christ is birthed in this gospel then God owes man an apology.

Did anyone say that evangelism should not come forth out of love? While it cannot be said that there might not be a few belonging to the bride amongst the great throngs of those clamoring for what is being falsely taught, we should question whether this is about disturbing the wolf in the pen while we triage the sheep or whether we signal the warning to lost men that are enemies of Christ?

by lylewise on 2011/8/4 15:08:22

"Do we condemn every person that darkens the doorway"?


"I would remind you that this is a large church with a few doorways. This gospel which is no gospel at all is being imported all over the doorways of the world. Countless millions will spend eternity in torment because of its attraction to their flesh. If the body of Christ is birthed in this gospel then God owes man an apology.

Did anyone say that evangelism should not come forth out of love? While it cannot be said that there might not be a few belonging to the bride amongst the great throngs of those clamoring for what is being falsely taught, we should question whether this is about disturbing the wolf in the pen while we triage the sheep or whether we signal the warning to lost men that are enemies of Christ?"

Indeed, you are correct. However, what good are we doing? Who that knows Christ hasn't recognized this? Is what we are doing producing any good fruit? Would it be the same as going to this church, after praying and fasting, and standing outside preaching the Gospel to members with passion and dedication? Or are we stroking our own egos and gossiping, slandering, and such with our statements?

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Bryan Reed

Saints you may want to look at the thread under this one. We have a President who favors Islam. Might I suggest that this is the far greater danger. At least Joel Olsteen or Gov. Rick Perry are not celebrating Ramadan as our President does.

Blaine

Lovefirst,

With all due respect, I think you're putting words in other people's mouths. I know you did with mine. Look back at the posts. I said that I was wary of Gov. Perry and that he doesn't sit well with me. That's it. Then you said...

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Mrs Carter

Simpleliving,

Are you saying that because of my statements that I'm slandering and gossiping? I would hope not. I know who and how Jesus is from what I have read about Him in the bible and how He deals with me, and desire everyday to know Him more. The title of this thread mentions Gov Perry, you brought him up, Krispy also made a mention. If this would be the only thread I saw such things then of course I would not be so inclined to say something. However, I see finger pointing at almost every single thread. I see knowledge puff up and tear down others. Very little building up, so much so that I can't see the love of the body of Christ.

In your post to me you explain a lot, with knowledge, of how you might view my character. Also, how my view of Jesus maybe incorrect. You took a shot at Catholics and you follow up with how Jesus is and what isn't wrong. I wish I didn't see it this way but I too call a spade a spade.

Yes it upsets me to see this type of tearing down of the body of Christ. Why is it easier to be so critical of one another instead of building each other up??? Either by words, deeds, or in prayer? Why are we so uptight and uneasy, always accusing and suspesious?

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Bryan Reed

Please let me know when Osteen talks about the holiness and justice of God, the blood of Christ, the substitutionary atonement, sin or the need to repent of our sin.

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Bob