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Oracio
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 Rick Perry Bases Call For National Salvation on "Joel's Army" Cult Movement

The following news article is from The Examiner, a secular news source:

"If Governor Rick Perry (R) of Texas runs for president of the United States, he will have one of the most unusual and specific bases for his platform of any candidate in many decades—the spiritual visions of the ancient Hebrew prophet Joel.

Perry has jumped on the "Joel's Army" bandwagon, claiming in his promotional message for his The Response prayer and fasting event in Houston in August: "Some problems are beyond our power to solve, and according to the Book of Joel, Chapter 2, this historic hour demands a historic response."

The language of Joel 2, written centuries before the birth of Jesus Christ, and referring to a time after the return of the Hebrews from their Babylonian exile, has been reinterpreted by some Christian groups to be a prophecy referring to the "end time" or Apocalypse. The "response" Perry is talking about is the one Joel 2 calls for when God's people are confronted by an Apocalyptic crisis. In part a call for fasting and prayer, it is also a description of a powerful army of God.

One group which has for many years taught a theology based on Joel 2's crisis or "shock doctrine", is the Kansas City prayer organization IHOP (International House of Prayer), headed by Mike Bickle, part of what was known in the 1990s as the Kansas City Prophets, a neo-charismatic movement of Christian "dominionists", who seek to transform the USA into a Christian theocracy.

Perry lists several figures associated with IHOP and with TheCall movement, started by IHOP associate Lou Engle, as part of the leadership team for the governor's August 6 The Response event. Lou Engle is the same religious figure who preached in Uganda in 2010, alongside speakers who praised Ugandan laws that would allow for imprisonment and execution of homosexuals."

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http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/uhj#ixzz1STp0kzUb


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Oracio

 2011/7/18 13:49Profile









 Re: Rick Perry Bases Call For National Salvation on "Joel's Army" Cult

why you call them CULT ?

that is command in the Bible , PRAY unceasing,

our country USA is in great danger, it is time to pray and fast . what is wrong to pray for your country ?

quote “ Lou Engle is the same religious figure who preached in Uganda in 2010, alongside speakers who praised Ugandan laws that would allow for imprisonment and execution of homosexuals.”””" quote

please stop to add such nonsense comment to brother lou


We do not have time to waste on judging other, our country and our leaders already fall apart

IT IS TIME TO PRAY , if you do not like them, PLEASE start your own prayer meeting , really , it is time to pray !

Talk to GOD not talk to men.

I hope all the American church become a praying church !


Lou Engle is a intercessor , he pray and fast a lot .

I can tell you why American churches are so weak ? because we do not pray.

please do not stop Christians prayer gethering. it is very precious for a governor to have such
burning heart to GOD to call forth a prayer gathering !

when we enter into prayer court , we can talk to GOD whatever in our mind, (like King David did) , we also could ask GOD question , GOd will reveal to us what in His mind too, (like Abraham ). at that time you could find out who is for Him or who is against Him.
I really hope we could find out from GOD not from men's opinion.

 2011/7/18 14:28
Oracio
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by rh200300

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why you call them CULT ?



Hi, I just posted the title of the news article as it appeared on The Examiner. If you would like to read some reasons why many Christians have serious concerns regarding "Joel's Army"/"Kingdom Now" teachings here is a brief article:
http://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-now.html


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 2011/7/18 15:50Profile









 Re: Original Question

I must pose my original question on a thread I voluntarily shut down.....WHERE IS JESUS CHRIST.....???? What exactly is the purpose of this event in Houston? We are told it for prayer. But to whom and for what? If this event is really for a spiritual revival then why are the evangelical pastors not callng forth a solem assembly in their churches. Might I suggest we go to the archives of this ministry and read what real revival is. Might I suggest we look at the sermons of Duncan Camoell or Leonard Ravenhill and see the quality of real Christ centered preaching. For that matter read Acts 2 and see what Peter preached on and how many cane to Christ. I honestly believe the event in Houston is misguided. One would wonder what Leonard Ravenhill would think of this event if he were still living?

 2011/7/18 16:26
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 Re: Rick Perry Bases Call For National Salvation on "Joel's Army" Cult

I'm having trouble seeing the connection between Perry's quoting Joel and any association he has with Joel's Army. I've spent some time trying to run this down, so please help me get to the bottom of this. I'm a Bible study teacher getting questioned on this.

Is this a matter of guilt by association or has Perry actually promoted the errors of Joel's Army? If he has met with pastors who are theologically questionable, that doesn't mean he knows or promotes their errors. Politicians meet with all kinds of people all the time and if they wanted to pray for him, that isn't necessarily an endorsement on his part.

That said, I don't support this event. It sounds more like a God Bless America pep rally than a call to repentance. It's problematic that a politician considering a run for the WH is promoting it. However, I don't want to read too much into Perry's association with some of the participants.

 2011/7/23 12:00Profile
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Hi Beenie...

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I'm having trouble seeing the connection between Perry's quoting Joel and any association he has with Joel's Army. I've spent some time trying to run this down, so please help me get to the bottom of this. I'm a Bible study teacher getting questioned on this.

Is this a matter of guilt by association or has Perry actually promoted the errors of Joel's Army?



Good point. I have looked this up too, and I can find no evidence that Rick Perry even knows what "Joel's Army" is. It may be that the blogger -- who is not an actual reporter -- may have been attempting to subtly insert a bit of trepidation into the minds of readers. After all, the Examiner is run a lot like the Huffington Post mixed with Craigslist. It is the Wikipedia of news -- where a writer can spin it any way he wishes. If you click on the blogger's name, you will find that his own description is interesting:

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GLENN WRIGHT only knows where he stands politically by having been told in numerous online "What are your politics?" tests that he is a socialist. And that's fine except Glenn Wright isn't a socialist, or any -ist. He does however generally favor Democrats getting elected rather than Republicans. In the same way he favors ranchero sauce over tomatillo sauce, and Bill Clinton over Satan---on anything not involving personal character. In fact, he claims to be in favor of the Republican Party being outlawed entirely, because he is tired of always voting for the least evil choice.


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