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 'Obama adopting Arafat’s staged plan for Israel’s end'

“Barack Hussein Obama adopted Yasser Arafat’s staged plan for Israel’s destruction, and he is trying to force it on our prime minister,” Likud MK Danny Danon said. “All that was new in the speech was that he called for Israel to return to 1967 borders without solving the crisis. Netanyahu has only one option: Tell Obama to forget about it.”

Environment Minister Gilad Erdan, also from the Likud, who as a minister close to Netanyahu must be more diplomatic, said on Channel 2 that according to Obama’s approach, the Palestinians would receive what they were demanding on borders before negotiations begin.

“Once they have everything from the start, they have no reason to make any concessions,” Erdan said. ...

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 2011/5/20 8:58Profile

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 Re: 'Obama adopting Arafat’s staged plan for Israel’s end'

"the one who curses you I will curse." -God

America wanted change, and by golly (or by Barry) we'll get some now! Yeehaw!

... Now that we're going to hold back our support from Israel, I wouldn't be surprised if The Lord decides not to hold back all the judgements that we've been working so diligently for as a nation.

Pray that He holds His hand back from America, or that He gives our president a change of heart. I have a sense that America is only hanging on by a string, and this could well sever it.

 2011/5/20 10:21Profile

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I agree with I posted yesterday on the other thread, it is hard to believe God has been merciful for so long....I am keenly aware in my own life that I must be "above reproach" in pursuing holiness. This entire situation may very well open new doors of opportunity to share our faith with the unbelieving world. But if our lives are characterized by compromise, we will have nothing to say....

 2011/5/20 10:47Profile

 Rejecting Israel....and the sins of Babylon.

... "Now that we're going to hold back our support from Israel, I wouldn't be surprised if The Lord decides not to hold back all the judgements that we've been working so diligently for as a nation."...EverestoSama.

..[oh great and lofty one...]..inside joke..his students gave him his name, because he's very tall....according to Japanese the lovingly call him "sir Everest"..[ O Sama..]...the highest mountain...there-by EverestoSama." I think it's a very cool name..! and it's real!]

Back to the post, and it's somber tenor. Yes, Grant...I bear witness...but Obama doesn't really hold the entire weight of our National conscience. The scary thing is that there ARE millions and millions that agree with him entirely, and despise Israel, and the numbers are growing .

I received a prophesy in 2003, about some of the judgments that would be released upon America. I believe our attitude toward Israel is certainly a crucial part of the Lord blessing or curse upon us as a Nation, but the primary reason we are coming under judgment [ justice is another word ] is our embrace of the Four Sins of Babylon; 1.] MURDER..2] THEFT...3]FORNICATION AND GROSS IMMORALITY...4.] SORCERY AND DRUG USE.

The End of the American Dream
by Thomas Watkins

I’m writing about something sacred to me, and you will understand as I go on. I am 61, and I have been given dreams and visions, along with many other experiences with God since 1972, the year of my salvation and indwelling. In general , I have not shared them, except in a limited way, and that as the Lord has led.

In March, 2003, eight years ago , I was in the spirit in a vision.

I saw a most beautiful company of men and women preparing for an event. They were Christians, and fearfully holy, and beautiful. They were dressed in simple and humble attire.

They were not young, nor old. It reminded me of the military days when I and my fellow soldiers would prepare for a mission, gathering material and supplies and strategy. These were the holiest people I have ever imagined. They glowed with Heaven’s Presence, and their eyes were like lamps; emitting light and love. They were frightening.

The scene changed and I saw a multitude of American people , trudging along like the bomb-out of Dresden Germany… with dirty suits, with heads down , homeless, in a crowd that poked along for miles and miles. Children held the hands of parents, trudging along, with a general air of depression and despair. They had lost everything.

Every molecule of the sky and the Earth and the substance of that vision spoke a word….”THE END OF THE AMERICAN DREAM.” I also knew it would center around a “mortgage greed craze.”

The scene changed again, and I was there, watching as another mass of people were trudging along. They were all minorities, mostly black and Hispanics. I then realized that the first group were all white. The difference being that they, the minorities were very, very angry…..riot motivated angry. These crowds stretched for miles. “The End of the American Dream.” was over them all. These too, had lost everything…homes, cars, and all luxuries and possessions: they were in the street.

I can only guess at the numbers…..maybe a total of about 3 million split between both groups. I saw signs of traditional ministries following this group…but without much impact.

The vision ended.

Implications and thoughts.

Firstly, I think the fall of the American economy and dream is permanent. I do not think that we will ever see America rise to the prosperity levels that we saw previous to October 2008. It is over. I could say, “never to rise again.”

Secondly, it is going to get much, much worse. If 3 million people are homeless, then it means that many more were displaced, perhaps 20 to 25 million. The 3 million are just those who have no friends or family to take them in.

Thirdly, the economy will not recover…ever.

The economy is collapsing, along with jobs. We will see the fuller impact beginning the summer of 09′. Renters also will be affected, and perhaps more vulnerable. Everyone has bought into the idea that your CREDIT RATING is the thing that makes you a success. The Lord showed me men in dirty suits, which reads to me that the middle and the upper middle class will also be there among them. The rich, and the nearly rich have acquired debt as a lifestyle, to enjoy and be entitled to the American dream to the fullest. From gourmet Pet food, to the “better colleges”, classy cars, along with the “Prize”…the 5 bedroom brick Tudor semi-mansion in the ‘burbs….the middle class has taken the bait…and who will deliver them?

All believed that America would just go on putting out for ever..and it would never end. It has now.

As I write, the largest reverse migration in American history is happening: Mexican migrants returning to Mexico. In the past several months, over 2 million have returned home to the south, to survive with their families. There is no longer the construction industry. It has vanished, along with the absence of a credit market. The mass exodus continues, and the poor and service industries are always the first to fall.


There are 4 sins that are paramount in the last days; Immorality, Murder, Theft and Sorcery. America was founded in Christian Puritanical beliefs, that spread throughout her government and judicial system, and the fibers of every realm of society. Volumes could, and are written on her demise, but it is suffice to say that America, hand in hand with the freedom to do ANYTHING she likes, or is pleasurable, (has believed) it is our RIGHT: guaranteed by our constitution.

This can be paralleled with ancient Israel as they often drifted the same way…and through out time, the Lord has so dealt with Nations by sending judgment.


The CHURCH is the salt of the Earth, and the American Church has, overall, lost her saltiness, her savor. We have been exposed, uncovered as one loving prosperity, and living and loving such riches as the prior Kings of the Earth knew not. We have willfully believed that happiness, health and prosperity have become our rights! God has ordained that we are the head, and not the tail.

There is no longer a Word about Sin, for there really is no sin, just principles! God is all inclusive, and God is Love. If there is no sin, then there is no repentance, and we are Earth bound.

Of course, we will fly away to more luxury and peace later, but that is in the by and by. The Blood of Jesus is no longer the pillar of our faith..but instead our pillar is the living of a purpose filled life, and that with your best life NOW! Happiness and Prosperity, along with good health to make you live longer and enjoy it, of course.

The end of the matter and conclusion concerning this sordid and unbiblical church is simple. THE CHURCH NO LONGER NEEDS GOD, or HER GLORIOUS MASTER, THE LORD JESUS! He exists only to serve her, like a butler, and to protect her rights, and of course, she shall never suffer.

When this vision is matured, the Church will realize that she does need God. The church will need Him more than she ever believed she would.

Judgment:Immorality. America and pornographic Hollywood, making billions yearly, importing our filth to nations that still blush, not being Christian. We have elevated sodomy to the halls of congress, and marry homosexuals. We teach our children, by law, the rightness of inclusiveness: that this is natural and must be accepted. We sell sex , millions of times a day on our airwaves, and are awash in sexual enhancement products, and endorse public displays of horrific and blasphemous “art forms”.

It is indeed a river of filth, and shows no signs of abating. Watch one minute of VH1 or MTV. This is our legacy.

Judgment: Murder. Over 50 million innocent children taken (alive) from their mothers wombs; that’s one out of six today in America. Don’t worry, God has covered His eyes, and didn’t see. Violence and death, and the “mass murderer”. This was generally unknown in America, with very few exceptions. It is a spirit.

My own brother was murdered, assassinated. The murderer was never brought to man’s justice. The US government does not hesitate to do so either, if it serves our political interest.

Remember KHADAFI?, and his tent in the sand…and his daughters that were blown to bits by an American cruise missile?

Judgment: Theft. I have written in my Bible, “THE BANKING SPIRIT.” Every element of business has morphed into a predator mentality, from the car dealer, to the investment Banker and your local bank, to the mechanic and Neighbor, Fairness, and doing the right thing has been replaced by deception and greed, to profit. It is a jungle out there, and everyone wants to rip you off. Have you ever felt that way? That’s because theft is rampant…

Judgment: Sorcery. Witchcraft and her covens are growing exponentially. Harry Potter, and some 30 TV shows and more cartoons about the occult are feeding our children a steady diet of satanism, not counting the hundreds of dark video games they devour. Well, as long as they are quiet!

The other side of sorcery is DRUGS: We have joyfully embraced drugs for any and all discomfort or pressure or unhappiness. Psychotropic drugs that “calm the nerves”, are casually dubbed “MEDICATION”; PSYCHOLOGICALLY EQUATING IT WITH REAL CURES, like penicillin, or the Polio cure. It is not. they are drugs…dopa!

The medical practice of the Physician has been reduced to a pill pusher…a pill for everything!It is the chief advertising dollar in America. It is estimated that one in six Americans use Marijuana.

Methamphetamine’s are a plague to mid America. Our prisons are bursting, overcrowded two to one , or worse. Thousands are beheaded and murdered today, as we speak, in Mexico over control of the dealing of this evil lust and addiction inside America.

You cannot tell the difference between the Church, and the World….except that possibly the Church doesn’t drink and party as much, and goes to meeting on Sunday.


Hope and Faith

God will provide. He has never forsaken one who has put their trust in Him, never! He has never broken a Promise, never, to any who Love Him, and even to those who call upon His Name!

There is a great division coming however, and it will prove to be a division between those who love Him, or love their own lives more.

How will we respond without prosperity? Will we be, as righteous Job, and still trust and say: “Even though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him!”, or will we be selfish, and despise His chastening, and Him too, when things are no longer? How will we relate to the homeless, the poor?, and especially to Christians that have lost everything? (see Acts 4:32) Will we open or homes, and will we give? Even unto our last cup of meal and oil to cook it with?

Will we give all unto the Lord, no matter the cost, or circumstances? Will we lay our lives down for our brother and sisters, no matter what?..or..will we get all we can, and can all we get? Some will…and the days of Ananias and Sapphira will return again. (see Acts 5:1-11 )

This will end in a purified church. The true Church will be greatly affected, for when we suffer, we stop playing Church, and become the Church.

There will be a shift from institutionalized pew sitters, and the clergy laity model, to the BODY, edifying itself in Love. The “House Church will become the norm, and the professional clergy will dry up for lack of money, and real anointing. The least of the Brethren will become a battle cry, and for those who want Jesus, their compassion’s will abound and increase, even unto abandonment…..and that is what this HOLY company is about.

They will be completely abandoned to Christ, and will impart that spirit. They will take the lead as examples, to minister to a grieving America, and will do so in real Power and Love.

There will again be a difference between the holy and the profane, and it will be obvious.

The catastrophe will be the stepping stone to REVIVAL, but not in the way of REFORMATION. It will be upheaval….a Revolution! It will be a rebirth, a true renewal based on Resurrection Life from Heaven, not reform in Doctrine only.

Many, many will return to Christ, and many will receive Him as Savior, as they behold real Glory and Love. Many will go on in their dead religion, and reject compassion. Many lost will be saved, and there also will be real healing’s and signs, that are indisputable, accompanied by brothers and sisters who want no glory of their own. Holiness will be all about them, and all will see.

This will be an awesome time for those willing to pay the price. We may not have a lot, but the promise is, “God will provide!” - this is a conditional promise however, fulfilled unto those who honor, fear, and Love Him.

Remember these words:


Jesus will become the rise and fall unto many. Many religious people and false Pastors and Prophets will be exposed in this pressure….Many. Many holy will gain Jesus, and true Salvation in this time. There will be those who give all, and truly please their Master. It will be, as the old novel begins, “THE BEST OF TIMES, AND THE WORST OF TIMES.”

The best for those who fall at His feet, and say: “JESUS IS LORD. IT IS HE, AND HE ALONE WHO IS LORD!” - to the rest, it will be the worst.

God himself is in the center of this “Meltdown”, and it is He who is applying the fire!”

Brother Thomas Watkins

 2011/5/20 17:13

 Re: 'Obama adopting Arafat’s staged plan for Israel’s end'

If what D.W. said is true in his book "Set the Trumpet to Thy Mouth", that America is Babylon, which I whole heartedly agree with and not because David wrote that, but because of the history of where the present power base of the world is -- then although we may see attacks and captivity, Babylon is not "utterly destroyed" until just before His Return, and His Word calls Babylon a "city" where the kings of the earth get their orders - which would be where the UN sits and the other united-world and religious establishments sit, in NYC. That destruction is after the 7th Vial is poured out and we won't be here at that point, we'll be in the air with Him.

Thank GOD for HIS Word that will never lead us astray! It was written for a child to understand. If we would only do just a tad bit of research of what goes on in that great city regarding world dominance and a 'united religion' we'd understand most of what He wrote about the days to come, from what He's written. Starting with Daniel 7 and 8 - 12.
We see the description of this 7 headed beast with 10 crowns described in Rev 13 and see in verse 2 the description of the 4 beasts of Daniel 7. As they say - the two books must be studied together.

So many UN resolutions [like #181] have already declared what we're just now reading about, that is being laid at someone else's feet. Those resolutions were written from the 1947 period on. This is not new news in the slightest and the maps are to be found of the dividing up of Israel on the Net from back then and onward. This is from the UN and if we don't see a one world entity in that beast in Manhattan that will have 10 kings to rule over the 10 regions of the earth [another map that's easy enough to find on a search] - then we haven't read much about it yet. It would be good to look into this, because the little horn will come out from what we read in Daniel 8.

Maybe we just don't have time to Study these things or we prefer to see it another way - but I'd be looking into the UN's history concerning Israel, just to be on the safe side.
But, it won't be long before we won't need to research a thing.

Praying for Israel and His Saints.

 2011/5/20 19:14

 Re: Rejecting Israel....and the sins of Babylon.

The scene changed and I saw a multitude of American people , trudging along like the bomb-out of Dresden Germany… with dirty suits, with heads down , homeless, in a crowd that poked along for miles and miles. Children held the hands of parents, trudging along, with a general air of depression and despair. They had lost everything.

Tom, my brother, i've seen, or dreamt the exact same, many many many times, since i was a mere child, until this very day. i testify to that. to say you are not alone, nor is what you wrote vain imagination, your words are true and the amen.

you know Tom, have you noticed in the last week how the secular press is having a field day with dear ole Harold Camping?

i know that Harold has devalued his "currency", but there's something amiss with all the laughter and derision they heap on him. Oh, how they laugh, and make fun of him.

You know what? Underneath all that laughter, i really think they're all terrified.

as well they should be.

Jesus is coming back...soon. Might not be 21 May, but God knows, and Jesus is Real.

for the past five months, i've been in the Tanakh Prophets, mostly Isaiah (for now)and i've begun to understand slowly, where their hearts were at, these men of God were not humorless, dour finger pointers, these men, Prophets, were just heart broken, on many different levels, for many different reasons.

i'm heart broken, cratered, undone at everything i see around me. Messiah, God is my Only Solace and Comfort.

so i hear you, loud and clear. So please know, that from one clay jar to another, you are not alone.

Tommorrow Tom, brother at 0900, i leave the City for good, God Himself has given me a small farm on a high ridge, with a beautiful forest, full of oak, hickory, and ironwood, a beautiful cabin, with a new stove, and a guest cabin, cozy clean warm and beautiful,

He heard my lonely prayers, God loves me so much, how could i ever tell Him of my love for Him in adequate terms? God has blessed me so much, i cant even fathom it, yet this Joy, that is Jesus' Bounty, is tempered with absolute grief and a broken heart.

So, i just want to say, i love your post, for only the Holy Ghost could have impelled you to write as such.

So sleep well, with the shalom that only He brings, and if you remember, please pray for travelers mercies for me, and please pray that Jesus bless my new Peniel, with His Spirit, His Precesnce, His Love, neil

 2011/5/20 21:34

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 Re: Rejecting Israel....and the sins of Babylon.

Back to the post, and it's somber tenor. Yes, Grant...I bear witness...but Obama doesn't really hold the entire weight of our National conscience. The scary thing is that there ARE millions and millions that agree with him entirely, and despise Israel, and the numbers are growing .

Oh, I agree with everything you say. It isn't Obama ONLY per say who has the responsibility of this, he's nothing more than the public reflection of our backslidden hearts. Like you said, there are millions and millions who despise Israel. Obama is only our nations poster boy for this sentiment, given to us as a judgement for our wickedness.

And yeah, I also agree that we're going to be given judgement for all the reasons you've listed. It's inevitable that judgement comes on America. The reasons you've stated were ample reasons alone to judge America. It's coming, I have no doubt of that. I tend to also believe the supposition of Jewish teacher/preacher Jacob Prasch as well, that America has only been able to prolong the period before the judgement for two reasons;

1. Because it sends out (if I'm not mistaken) more missionaries than any other country,


2. It's relationship to Israel.

God's just, and judgement will come. Yet, he's been long suffering with America, holding off what we rightfully deserve. However with things like this, as a country we're really not giving him any reason to spare us any longer.

I'm trying my best to remember the part of either Kings or Chronicles where God said He was going to judge Israel/or Judah for all the gross sins committed by one of the kings, yet He prolonged the time in which it would come, for the sake of a Godly king. It's driving me nuts that I can't remember where exactly that is. If anyone knows please post it. But anyway, this all kind of reminds me of that. Judgement will come, but God's been holding His hand back.

However, now it seems America is almost begging Him to let us have it.

 2011/5/20 23:57Profile

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 Re: 'Obama adopting Arafat’s staged plan for Israel’s end'

I am uncertain where in scripture it is but I remember reading that every nation will rise up against Israel and but will preserve it dispite the odds. If you know the scripture please post it. I am quite certain the events occuring are the beginning of the end.

Matthew Guldner

 2011/5/21 1:20Profile

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