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 Why the English Standard Version ?

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A legitimate question is whether the world is truly served with another English Bible translation. Since the middle of the 20th century, English language translations have proliferated. Presently, there are more than 25 English translations.

The English Standard Version (ESV), in contrast to most modern translations, is not entirely "new." The ESV is the product of a rich translation legacy which spans some 500 years. The beginning of this heritage was William Tyndale's New Testament (1526). The starting point for the ESV was the 1971 Revised Standard Version (RSV). Over 90 percent of the RSV is retained in the ESV. The RSV was regarded by many as the best modern translation in terms of precision and literary elegance.


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 2011/4/14 23:58Profile
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 Re: Why the English Standard Version ?

I tried the ESV for awhile - but something was missing. Then one day I realized that it was different than the King James Version that I had read in my past. When I switched back to the KJV, it was like coming home to a place that I had not realized that I had left.

 2011/4/15 1:00Profile
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 Re: Why the English Standard Version ?

I recently switched from the NASB to the ESV, due to the NASB's watered down translation of the Greek word "porneia" in many places. It translates that word to "immorality" without specifying sexual immorality. I am liking the ESV so far.

The NIV was my first Bible as a believer 13 years ago. Then the NKJV. Never could get into the KJV, or understand the logic of holding so tightly to such an outdated form of English which hardly anyone can understand.


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 Re:

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Never could get into the KJV, or understand the logic of holding so tightly to such an outdated form of English which hardly anyone can understand.


Well, I suppose it is because "it" got a hold on me.

 2011/4/15 1:30Profile
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 beautifuly stated

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Heartsong said: Well, I suppose it is because "it" got a hold on me.



The Word sustains us.

Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, it all boils down to Jesus.

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Never could get into the KJV, or understand the logic of holding so tightly to such an outdated form of English which hardly anyone can understand.



What part of
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John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

is not understandable?

Not speaking to any one person, in particular, the people of this generation are spoiled and seek shortcuts. They are not willing to simply take things on faith they want to completely understand every word. I believe much is not understandable because sin lays in front of our eyes. Our hearts are not clean enough to hold the Truth. Pray for forgiveness and ask for Wisdom, then be grateful for even the crumbs of understanding you receive, they are infinitely more then we deserve - we deserve nothing, all that we receive is a gift. That some receive different gifts is explained within the Book.

kindly, white stone


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 Re: beautifuly stated

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I tried the ESV for awhile - but something was missing. Then one day I realized that it was different than the King James Version that I had read in my past. When I switched back to the KJV, it was like coming home to a place that I had not realized that I had left.



I have used the KJV for 15 years and the NIV. I started with the NIV and went to the KJV quite quickly. I used to hold to the fact of the textus receptus manuscripts being correct and therefore every other modern translation was wrong. I feel now that was a very narrow view and not true. Many new findings show much earlier manuscripts that add to and take away from the authority of the textus receptus.

We have much more clear a picture of the whole of the bible now with manuscripts and see all the manuscripts that 98% all agree. Thus new translations working off these.

The ESV is in the lineage of the KJV version I believe as the RSV was the continuation of the KJV and the ESV is not the continuation of the RSV.

It is just simply not fruitful to read a translation in our day that is very hard to understand for the normal reader. Many cults and abherant groups use the KJV simply to keep people in the dark, including:

Work faith teachers, TV evangelists, Faith healers, prosperity Gospel preachers, mormons, and 100's of other cult groups or extreme christian groups.

I am not condemning anyone that is using the KJV, it is a great translation but I feel for many people especially younger who want to reach this generation for Christ the ESV is a great way to go.


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 examples of this, please

Dear Greg,

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Many cults and abherant groups use the KJV simply to keep people in the dark



Please give me chapter and verse for this statement. Are these 'people in the dark' illiterate? Is there some shield that prevents God Almighty from opening their understanding?

I believe it is God Himself who blocks understanding because of lack of faith/sin through failure to accept Jesus as Saviour. Also, I feel it is a watered down Gospel being preached that is responsible, not the words on the page.

Awaiting the examples,
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 Re: examples of this, please

Amen Greg, well said.

Whitestone, I was referring to words like "hitherto", "witherto", etc. Such words will have many, especially new believers, waste time looking into dictionaries when they can avoid that by reading modern English words.


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 Re: examples of this, please

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Many cults and abherant groups use the KJV simply to keep people in the dark

Please give me chapter and verse for this statement.



????????????????????

It wasn't like a statement of doctrinal faith. It was just an observation he made (one that rings true I must agree). That's all.

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It is just simply not fruitful to read a translation in our day that is very hard to understand for the normal reader. Many cults and abherant groups use the KJV simply to keep people in the dark, including:



You are telling me that even though it has been fruitful for my children and my wife, I am really deceived? I sure would like to know where you get that data, concerning "cults and abherant groups using the KJV to keep people in the dark".

Do you know that there are many men and women of God using the KJV Bible to bring people into the LIGHT?


This is one of the severest examples of marginalizing KJV readers that I think I have ever witnessed.


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I am not condemning anyone that is using the KJV, it is a great translation but I feel for many people especially younger who want to reach this generation for Christ the ESV is a great way to go.



Now, I am really confused!

A777

 2011/4/15 12:25





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