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bigwillie
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 is the bible the athoritve word of god?or not!

The sabbath is the 7th day of the week see genisis.his children .we will celebrate sabbath in the new jerusalem see isiah66.now will the theologans on the www pleas find a singel verse that says god changes.or the sabbath changes???hhhhmmmm the lord said to peter..behinde me satan .....because yoe savot the things of man more than the things of god.......hhhhmmmm....I will choose to belive that god don't change....gods commandments ie laws ie way his children are to live its simple..simple..simple like nike...just do it...


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 Re: Sabbath in Christ


If anyone is interested, I recommend the following book on the subject of Sabbath.

I'd say it's the best book on the subject, bar none!

What follows is from their website.

Sabbath in Chirst, Newly Revised
By Dale Ratzlaff, 418 pages, ISBN 978-0-9747679-8-7

Sabbath in Christ is a thorough, inductive, biblical study of the Sabbath, the covenants, the law and the gospel. It is considered by many to be the best readable work on the Sabbath topic in print. It is endorsed by many leading theologians. It is the result of years of study and has helped thousands of transitioning Adventists find the truth on the Sabbath Question.

Recently Adventist Scholar Ron du Preez authored a book published by Andrews University Press claiming that the Sabbaths mentioned "in Colossians 2:16 refers to ancient Jewish ceremonial Sabbaths, and not the weekly Sabbath. Thus, the Seventh-day Sabbath of the Decalogue cannot be regarded as abrogated on the basis of Colossians 2."

The first edition of Sabbath in Christ presented abundant biblical evidence that the Sabbath in Colossians 2 does, indeed, refer to the weekly Sabbath. However, because du Preez' book relies heavily on certain Hebrew structures, Ratzlaff asked Old Testament Professor, Dr. Jerry Gladson who is proficient in Hebrew to write a response to du Preez' work. He consented to do this and has given permission to print his response in this edition of Sabbath in Christ.

"I am impressed with the clarity, precision, and thoroughness of Dale Ratzlaff's work. This book is a much-needed treatment of the Sabbath controversy, written with intelligent passion and full of insight and wisdom. Mr. Ratzlaff shows great care in his handling of the complex biblical, historical, and theological issues. This book will be a great encouragement and help to anyone struggling to understand what Scripture says about the Sabbath." John MacArthur, Ph.D., Senior Pastor, Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California

Dale Ratzlaff is a former fourth-generation Seventh-day Adventist pastor, author of four books on Adventist issues, national speaker, founder of Life Assurance Ministries, Inc. and founding editor of Proclamation!—a bi-monthly journal now sent free to about 30,000 homes. He is considered a leading authority on Adventist doctrine and practice, especially SDAs’ Sabbath, 1844 sanctuary doctrine, and teaching that the writings of Ellen G. White “…are a continuing and authoritative source of truth…”

Worship God.

 2011/4/9 0:19Profile
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Christ coming has ushered in a new covenant in which the promised salvation of God is realized.

The gospel of Christ offers a rest (Mat.11:28-300 which is more than physical and temporal but, in him, spiritual and eternal.

Hebrews explains that the new covenant believer, resting in the Lord Jesus Christ, enjoys now and eternally what the old sabbath could only anticipate (Heb.4:3-10), it is merely an extension of the truth laid down here; namely, that the coming of Jesus Christ changed the whole significance of the sabbath forever.


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 Re: is the bible the athoritve word of god?or not!

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now will the theologans [sic] on the www pleas [sic] find a singel [sic] verse that says god [sic] changes. or the sabbath changes??? hhhhmmmm



Read Matthew 12 where Jesus uses a syllogism to show that there is no longer a moral obligation to observe a legal Sabbath.

A helpful article is here: http://www.triviumpursuit.com/downloads/sabbath_syllogism_2006.pdf


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Jesus Christ Himself truly is our Sabbath, a Person by the power of God, not a day.


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 Re: The believers Sabbath


If Gen. 2:2,3 teach that God gave Adam the Sabbath as a 'Creation Ordinance´ then the Sabbath argument is over.

That one thing, if proven, is more than sufficient to prove that the Sabbath is a moral, not ceremonial, commandment binding on all men in all ages and not just binding on Israel. What do the verses actually say and not say?

ONE: These verses do not say that God commanded Adam to treat the seventh day differently than the other six. God may have commanded Adam to keep the seventh day differently than the other six but there is not the slightest bit of evidence for that in these two verses.

TWO: There is no record in Scripture that (1) Adam ever kept the seventh day any differently than the other six, but (2) there is some evidence that Adam did not observe a Sabbath day of rest prior to sin entering the world. These two biblical facts ought to make us stop and think. Regrettably, many preachers and theologians simply ignore these facts and load all kinds of things into these verses that are not there.

THREE: The seventh day is not called a Sabbath nor is it designated a Sabbath of rest anywhere in the account given in Genesis 2:1-3. Read these verses carefully and the above facts are very clear.

FOUR: There is not a single instance recorded in Scripture of anyone keeping the seventh day as a Sabbath day of rest until Exodus 16 and the giving of the manna. Exodus 16:23 is the first mention of the Sabbath in Scripture.

Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD has said: 'Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD. (NKJ)

FIVE: These facts[1] mean we must deal with some clear biblical information:

We have no biblical record of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Exodus 16 when God first gave the Sabbath to Israel, and we cannot use something not recorded as proof of something we want to believe. The words recorded in the actual texts of Scripture are the only valid evidence in any biblical argument. There is a specific text of Scripture where the Holy Spirit explicitly informs us that God first made known the Sabbath commandment at Mt. Sinai. This is a fact beyond dispute. We cannot reject a clear statement of Scripture just because it does not fit our system. Nehemiah is very explicit concerning when the Sabbath was first given. We dare not make unwarranted assumptions from Gen. 2:2,3 that are not stated, especially when those statements clearly contradict another clear text of Scripture.

You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. You made known to them your holy Sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses. Neh. 9:13,14.

Notice that the Sabbath is set off from the commands, decrees and laws. This is because the Sabbath was the most important of all the Ten Commandments. It was the sign of the covenant.

Some people say that Israel already had the Sabbath but they had forgotten it and God was reminding them. 'Making something known´ and 'reminding you of something you already knew´ are two different things.

The foregoing five facts do not prove that the Sabbath is not a moral law, nor do these facts in themselves prove that the Sabbath was not given to Adam at Creation. However, these biblical facts do clearly prove that you cannot use Gen. 2:1-3 as a proof text for believing the Sabbath was given to Adam at creation. If you want to believe that the Sabbath is a 'creation ordinance,´ you must use textual evidence other than Genesis 2:1-3, and as far as I know there isn´t any such textual evidence!

We dare not use an argument as proof when the argument is not found in Scripture, and likewise, we dare not reject clear facts stated in related texts of Scripture. When we ask the question, "Does the Bible teach anywhere that anyone prior to Exodus 16:23, including Adam in Genesis 2:1-3, observed a Sabbath day of rest?" the answer must be "No, there is no such record." When we then ask the question, "Does Scripture ever tell us clearly when the Sabbath commandment was first given?" we must answer, "Yes, Nehemiah 9:13,14 tells us the Sabbath was first given to Israel at Sinai."

Since there is no record of Sabbath observance prior to Ex. 16, and since Neh. 9:13,14 specifically states the Sabbath was first given to Israel at Sinai, then exactly what is God saying in Genesis? Let´s look carefully at what the texts in Genesis 2:1-3 do teach.

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. (KJV)

First of all, we immediately see there is no "morning or evening" announced as ending the seventh day. This day is obviously different than the other six. It is especially significant that the seventh day had no work done nor did it have an end. It is open ended. That seventh day might still be going on today if sin had not entered the world and marred God´s 'good´ and 'finished´ created work. Regardless, it is essential to see how totally different this seventh day is from the other six days.
Let´s ask and answer some obvious questions:

First question: "Why did God 'rest´ on the seventh day?" Was he tired? No, God can never get tired. God rested in the enjoyment of what he had created. He rested because his work was finished. He stopped creating because he had finished doing everything he had set out to do.

Note the word 'because´ in Gen. 2:3. God declared the seventh day different than the other six simply because he had finished his creative work or purposes. He rested only because he was finished. We dare not read some kind of fatigue or weariness into this text or we grossly misrepresent God. God rested simply because he had totally accomplished everything that he had set out to do.

The 'rest´ in the fourth commandment given to Israel in Exodus 20 deals with physical rest from burdensome labor. The slave does not 'rest in his accomplishments', in fact he may hate the work that he has been forced to do. God was not 'forced´ to either work or to rest. God´s rest in Genesis cannot be equated with Israel´s rest in the wilderness. The Israelite rested from his work because he was physically exhausted. In no sense can God resting in appreciation of his creative work in Gen. 2:1-3 be compared to Israel resting after a week of toil and sweat as in Ex. 20.

The fourth commandment rest is set in the context of deliverance from bondage and slavery. They were making bricks and had to gather their own straw. Exodus says, "They cried to God because of their bondage." None of the circumstances surrounding the giving of the law at Sinai could in any way be applicable to either God or Adam in Genesis 2:1-3. Neither God nor Adam ever cried out for rest because they were worn out in fatigue.

The fourth commandment given to Israel at Sinai did at least two things.

One: The Sabbath constantly reminded Israel of the rest that Adam had lost in the Garden of Eden because of his sin. Every seventh day the Israelite was forced to remember the awful consequences of Adam´s rebellion to God. He could compare his present life of hard work, needed just to survive, with the life where everything needed was provided by God, without pain and labor on his own part. In other words, the Sabbath was a weekly, constant visible reminder of the wages of sin.

Two: The Sabbath also gave Israel a promise and hope of a coming Redeemer who would restore the rest that had been lost in Eden. The Sabbath preached the gospel as clearly as any ceremony in the whole Old Testament! The Sabbath was a clear picture of Christ and the rest that he would give. The entire Old Testament Scriptures speak of a coming 'rest´, or 'Sabbath´.

"Do this....in remembrance of me" in I Cor. 11:25-27 is a deliberate contrast between the two signs of the two covenant Sabbaths or rests. One points us to the first creation and the other to the new creation. One reminds us of the 'just, good, and holy law´ and both our duty and inability to keep it. The other reminds us of a 'new and better covenant´ that assures us all of the terms of the old were perfectly met in our Surety. The Sabbath pointed to our ceasing from our works and resting in the finished work of Christ. A Sabbath at creation could have done neither of these things since they would have been both unnecessary and impossible.

Second question: "Why did this seventh day, unlike the other six, have no end?"

Maybe it was because there was to be a continual and unbroken rest for both God and man. God would delight and rest in his perfect creation and Adam would find true rest and joy in everything he did. All of Adam´s work was nothing less than worship and appreciating God´s character as revealed in his creation. He did not sweat and labor for six days and then rest and worship for one day. Everything Adam did was worship and brought him rest. The more he labored, the more he worshipped, and the more he worshipped, the more he rested. God would rest in approving joy in his creation, and man would rest in obedient worship as he tended the garden. It is only because sin entered into the world that both God´s rest and man´s rest were broken.

It is essential that we remember several things about the Garden of Eden. Let me list some things that are often overlooked.

Eden was a perfect creation just as Adam was a perfect creature.

Eden was the perfect creation designed for the perfect creature. There was no "toil," no sweat, no fighting weeds and thistles, there were no shortages, no fears, and no unfulfilled longings. The seventh day was Eden itself! Eden was a perfect Sabbath rest in God´s goodness and fellowship.

When God said, 'It is very good´ that included every biological and psychological need that Adam had. Every true need is God given. The garden was designed to satisfy every need Adam and Eve had in a way that would make them supremely satisfied and fulfilled and also would supremely glorify God in every single thing they did. God´s finished work really was finished with full provisions for all of man´s needs.

This situation is not even close to the environment of Ex. 20 when the fourth commandment was given to Israel. There simply is no comparison. Once man sinned, he forever came into constant conflict with God, with himself, with Eve, and with a harsh, God-cursed environment just to stay alive. None of those things had anything to do with God resting after finishing his creative work.

Third question: Did Adam need a day of rest from his job of ruling over God´s whole creation? Look again at Gen. 1:26-31.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (KJV)

Was this a responsibility that brought such physical exhaustion that he needed a rest from his work? We know that Adam did not 'sweat´ before sin entered into the world. He never had sore muscles. Actually, there could have been no six and one division of time based on 'work´ versus 'worship´ or 'work´ versus 'rest´ in the Garden of Eden. There was no 'work´ in Eden in the sense of 'work´ in Exodus. There are no 'secular/religious´ categories in Adam´s experience until sin enters the world.

There was no 'working´ against the elements because everything, including the ground and weather, was one- hundred percent friendly to Adam. He never worked for a single meal in his whole existence in the garden. There was no "earning by the sweat of your brow" in the perfect creation into which God put Adam. Everything Adam did was worship. Nothing he did could make him either need or want to quit his work. The more he worked, the more he worshipped, and the more he worshipped, the more he was filled with joy and rest in the presence of God.

Adam´s work was his refreshment. Adam saw God in everything he did. Everything he did was a delightful experience of worship and praise to God, his friend and great benefactor. We can no more read the idea of 'resting´ because of being 'dead tired and worn out´ into Adam´s pre-sin experience than we can read it into God´s 'resting´ after completing his creation work. There could not have been a six and one day cycle in Eden anymore than there can be one in heaven. Are we going to 'work and toil by the sweat of our brow´ in heaven for six days and then have a day to rest from the burdensome toil? The idea is ridiculous! Will we have six days of work and then one day of worship? Nonsense. We will not have six days for ourselves, and one day for God.

Read again the curse upon man and upon creation in Genesis Gen. 3:16-19.

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; [The woman will feel pain for the first time while obeying the very commandment of God to bring forth children.] and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. [The full co-worker status is now changed to one of headship.] 17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, [No more 'free lunch´] till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. (KJV)

The ground is cursed because of Adam´s sin. Think of Gen. 3:17 and 18 when you read Romans 8:18-24.

18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. [Remember that not one of those sufferings or hardships were experienced in Eden before Adam fell. They are all a direct result of sin entering into the world and destroying both God´s and Adam´s rest.] 19 The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, [The very creation which God carefully created and then pronounced 'very good´ and in which he could take pleasure and rest is now under his curse.] not by its own choice, [Unlike Adam, creation did not have a free will] but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay [Do you realize the import of this fact? The very creation in which God rested in satisfaction is now in bondage and decay and under his curse. The very creation that God pronounced "very good" is scheduled for the fire to be burned up!] and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. [Creation awaits a liberation] 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, [the assurance of forgiveness and the witness of the Spirit] groan inwardly [as expressed in Romans 7] as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? (NIV)

There was a Sabbath rest lost in Eden and an even greater Sabbath rest regained at Calvary! Remember what we said about the two great lessons. The old Sabbath, (1) reminded Israel of the rest that was lost in Eden, and (2) it gave them hope of a new Sabbath that would restore more than was lost in Eden. Neither of these things was either possible or necessary before the fall.

Fourth question: Does the Scripture clearly show that God immediately went back to work the very moment that sin came into the world? I believe it does and that it also gives a valuable key to understanding both 'the work´ and the 'rest´ of God.

Remember the order of that first creative work of God in Genesis.

(1) Work announced.

(2) Work finished.

(3) Satisfaction with the work.

(4) Rest in the finished work.

Consider this: Gen. 3:15 is the announcementof God going back to work. The words from the cross, 'It is finished´ are the declaration that the new work announced in Gen. 3:15 is now completed. God is saying in the resurrection and ascension, "It is very good. I am perfectly satisfied with my Son´s work of a new creation." Our Lord "sitting down at the right hand of God" signifies his resting from his finished work.

Actually, the whole 'work my Father gave me´ motif in the New Testament Scriptures as applied to the ministry of our Lord would have no meaning without putting it into the context of Genesis 2:1-3. We will examine this point shortly.

Let´s review what we have stated thus far: (1) There is no recorded command given to Adam in Genesis to keep a Sabbath day. (2) There is not a single example given in Scripture of a Sabbath being kept by anyone, including Adam, until Exodus 16:23. (3) We are told in Neh. 9:13,14 that the Sabbath was first given to Israel at Sinai. (4) The obvious omission of the phrase 'the morning and evening´ in Genesis 2:2,3, thus leaving the seventh day open ended, shows that 'that day´ could still be going on if sin had not entered into the world and marred God´s 'good´ and 'finished´ creative work.

The second thing we should notice in Genesis 2:2,3 is the explicit language used to describe God´s creative activity.
Notice how four words tell the whole story.

1. The first word is work.

2. The second word is finished.

3. The third word is good.

4. The fourth word is rested.

God followed the identical pattern in his new creation. (1) He announced his intention to send his Son to remedy the tragedy of the fall. (2) God finished his planned work of redemption and re-creation at the cross. (3) God was very pleased with the work accomplished by his Son. (4) God rested in what he had accomplished through the work of his Son.

What comes into your mind as you repeat the words 'work - finished - satisfied - rest´ found in Genesis? I am sure we can easily connect those words to the New Creation of God wrought by our blessed Redeemer. We can hear the words, 'It is finished´ coming from the cross as we read Genesis 2:1-3. This is especially true as we keep remembering our Lord´s emphasis that he was 'doing the work my Father gave me to do.´

When we see him who cried out, 'It is finished´, raised from the dead and ascending to glory, we hear the Father saying, 'I am perfectly satisfied with my Son´s work.´

When we read the gospel expressed in passages like Matthew 11:28-30, "come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest," or 'I will Sabbath your souls,´ we find God inviting us to enter his rest with him through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The third thing we must remember and emphasize is that the moment sin entered into God´s perfect creation and defaced it; God, in accordance with his holiness and justice, cursed both the creation and the man who had sinned and ruined that creation.
The very creation in which God rested and said was 'very good´ is now cursed by God, forsaken, and turned over to vanity and corruption (Romans 8:19-22). The man created in the very image of God now becomes the enemy of God (Eph. 2:3; Rom. 5). Both the perfect created earth and the perfect created man are cursed by God and are under his wrath.

The fourth thing to realize and emphasize is that God immediately went back to work the moment Adam sinned.
It is this point that is not at all emphasized by most theologians. The history of redemption, or of the new creation, began to be worked out in that first promise of the seed of the woman who would undo what Adam´s sin had done. We know this work was planned in eternity (Rev. 13:8) and the first step in carrying it out was put into effect in Gen. 3:15.

I ask again, what is Genesis 3:15 but the announcement that God has gone back to work? Notice how carefully the working out of the new creation follows the pattern of the old creation. There is (1) the announcement of the intended work-the seed of the woman is going to crush the serpent´s head; (2) the work is perfectly accomplished or completed when Christ defeats Satan at the cross; (3) God expresses his satisfaction with the finished work by raising our Lord from the dead, and seating him at his right hand with all power; and (4) God forever rests in his new work.

God gave a promise that a Last Adam would come into the world and accomplish a work that could never again be affected by sin or anything else. This new creation would bring more honor and glory to God than ten thousand Gardens of Eden. This would be a work in which God could rest in delight for all eternity. This would be the true eternal Sabbath!

Yes, God went back to work when sin destroyed his first creation and he did not quit until He finished the work of the new creation at the cross.

The 'rest´ resulting from that gracious and powerful work accomplished by Christ has nothing to do with a twenty-four hour day. It brings a day of rest that is truly without end and not just twenty-four hours long. It brings in 'that day´ and 'that rest´ which the Old Testament kept looking forward to and the New Testament says has finally dawned. "This is the Day the Lord hath made" has nothing to do with either Saturday or Sunday. That is not a twenty-four Sabbath day but an eternal Sabbath rest that truly has no end.

Notice that God´s new work is a totally new creation. It is not a patch up of the old creation. The old was cursed and destined for a fiery destruction—including Adam´s return to the dust from which he was made. A whole new creation with a new race of redeemed men and women with a new head was to be created on the foundation of the coming Redeemer´s glorious work. The fruit of this work is in the mind of the writer of Hebrews when he speaks of 'many sons´ and 'my brethren´ being led to glory.

This second great work of God was forever finished at the cross. Those memorable words 'it is finished´ refer to this second work of God. God saw how good that work was, and he was perfectly satisfied. The clear proof of just how satisfied God was with that great work is proven in the resurrection, ascension, and exaltation of the one who performed that great work.

The Father not only raised his Son from the grave, he also exalted him to the position of highest power and authority. After finishing the work, our Lord was raised from the dead. He then ascended into heaven, into the most holy place itself. And what did he do? HE SAT DOWN! HE RESTED!

Why did he sit down and rest? For the same reason the Father rested in Genesis 2:1-3. He sat down and rested because he was completely finished with his work of re-creation. He entered into the eternal Sabbath Day of rest!

I love that passage in Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high." (KJV, emphasis added)

HE SAT DOWN! Why did he sit down? Well, it was not because he was tired! I keep repeating this because it is so important. He sat down for the same reason his Father rested after finishing the first creation. He sat down because his work was done and it was done forever!

Where did he sit down? At the right hand of God the Father Almighty! Hebrews 10:5-12 illustrates this same point:

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, [Why did he come into the world? To do a job that his Father had given him to do!] he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: [He needed a human sinless body in order to do the work he had been given to do. That body prepared by the Holy Spirit in Mary´s womb was his perfect humanity. He must take on humanity if he is to redeem humanity. This is why the New Testament Scriptures emphasize Christ´s 'body.´ This stresses his sinless humanity.] 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) [ all the Old Testament Scriptures are about Christ coming as the fulfillment of Genesis 3:15] to do thy will, O God. [God´s will for him was to die on the cross to work out a perfect redemption. That was the foreordained work the Son agreed to in eternity.] 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first [the firstexpression of His will, or the first covenant], that he may establish the second. [ This new and everlasting covenant will need no additions, and will never be changed. It is a sure and completed covenant.] 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. [The Father´s expressed will is Calvary where our Lord´s perfect humanity was laid on the altar of his absolute deity and a perfect work of atonement was completed.] 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: [Those priests worked and worked without ever sitting down. Their work was never complete and all their work put together could never atone for one single sin.] 12 But this man, [or priest] after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; (KJV)

Why did our Lord sit down and rest? I keep repeating it! It was for the same reason God the Father rested in Genesis 2:3. He sat down and rested because the planned and announced work was finished. We must get this into our minds and hearts! Our Lord sat down and rested both from and in his great work! Why did he sit down? His work was done. He had completed the job his Father had given him to do! He had brought in "that day," the true Sabbath Day, the whole Old Testament Scriptures anticipated. God was just as satisfied with the second creation as he was with the first creation because they were both his work, and both works were completed exactly as he had planned them. That is why God could "rest" in both of these works.

One of the great differences in the two works is that sin can never in any way mar this final "once for all" great work! God has been resting in the Redeemer´s great work ever since it was finished and he graciously calls us to enter into that rest with him (Hebrews 4:9-11; Matthew 11:28-30). I think it is fair to say that the whole of the New Testament Scriptures are built around God´s new work and the rest that it secures. I do not think we can understand the 'work of God´ referred to in the following verses as anything other than the work of redemption that God began the very day he cursed the creation that was no longer a source of rest to him. What else could the following text be talking about?

I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. John 17:4 (KJV, emphasis added)

What work is our Lord talking about? Of course, we know, as already mentioned, the plan for this work was laid in eternity (Rev. 13:8). However, the implementing and carrying out of that foreordained work in time began in Genesis the moment sin entered and destroyed that first creation of God.

Let me list just a few other texts that clearly teach this same truth. The reader can easily work out the implications.

John 4:34; Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

John 5:36; But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

John 5:17; But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

John 19:30; When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

John 9:4; I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

Eph. 2:10; For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Review the four words that summarize that first creative week in Genesis Chapter 1: 'work´ - 'finished´ - 'good´ - 'rested.´ All of the above texts speak of Christ 'working.´ What specific work of Christ are they talking about? Most theologians say this refers to our Lord working in providence. This is true but it is not the meaning of these texts. When did God begin the work referred to in these texts? How do the answers to these questions fit into God 'ceasing to work and resting´ in Genesis 2:1-3? I think the answers to all of these questions are very clear.

The first creative work of God provided him a place where he could rest and enjoy the fruit of his labor. The second creative work does the same thing. However, this second work and rest provides a place of eternal rest that cannot be destroyed.

Applications:

Nearly all Sabbatarian writers constantly judge the motives of those who disagree with them. They portray themselves as 'protectors of the glory of God´ by 'defending his holy law´ against its enemies. They label any and all who disagree with them as 'antinomians´ who hate God´s law simply because those who disagree insist that the fourth commandment is a ceremonial and not a moral law. These accusations need to be discussed in more detail, but for now, let me say that this article alone should demonstrate the motives in our hearts. We believe that the glory of our great Redeemer´s work of redemption in providing a place of everlasting rest is often over shadowed when a twenty-four hour 'holy day´ given to Israel gets more attention than the 'eternal day´ of rest provided by Christ.

When the fulfillment of the twenty-four hour Sabbath day becomes nothing more than the changing of the day from Saturday to Sunday then Hebrews 4 is lost in the shuffle. When the first creation of God is given more prominence than his second great work, it is the amazing power and grace of God itself that is easily eclipsed. When the old legal covenant, which was codified in nothing less than the Ten Commandments (Ex. 34:27-29; Deut. 9:9-11), is given more attention, and in some instances even more authority over the conscience of a child of God, than the new covenant of grace in the atoning blood of Christ (Heb. 8:6-8, Gal 4:21-31; I Cor 11:23-26), then the glory of Christ´s work is diminished in direct proportion.

When the memorial sign, the Sabbath (Ex. 31:12-18), of the old legal covenant, becomes more important in a system of theology than the memorial sign, the Lord´s Supper (I Cor 11:23-25), of the New Covenant, then the atoning work of Christ can easily get lost in the shadows.

Our view of the Sabbath as the true goal of Christ´s redeeming work grows out of our appreciation of him performing to perfection 'the work my Father gave me to do.´ Anything that in any way hinders a believer from seeing Jesus Christ our Lord as the true and final fulfillment of everything the Sabbath pointed to should cause us to be concerned.

I do not question the motives of those who disagree with me on the Sabbath. I have said, and say again, many Sabbatarians love God just as much as I do. They sincerely hold their beliefs because they are convinced that is what the Scriptures teach. They are honestly concerned for the glory of God. I believe they are mistaken in their understanding of Scriptures concerning law and grace. I think they have allowed their theology to cloud their thinking. However, I in no way question their Christian integrity or love of Christ.

Can we not disagree with each other without judging motives? Can we not have an open and discussion of the Word of God itself without anyone hiding behind a confession of faith? I challenge anyone to find a single antinomian statement in anything I have published. Challenging the system known as Covenant Theology does not automatically make one an antinomian!

All that we ask is that those who disagree with us demonstrate from Scripture where we are wrong. Show us from Genesis 2:1-3 that those texts teach the Sabbath is a 'Creation Ordinance´. Show us where our understanding of Neh. 9:13,14 and the first giving of the Sabbath is wrong. Give us the texts of Scripture that prove there were people who kept the Sabbath prior to Ex. 16:23. We love both God and his law as much as the Sabbatarian. We merely differ on what that law really says and means.

One last point concerns the Sabbath and the gospel in the Old Testament. I mentioned earlier that the Sabbath was a great example of gospel preaching in the Old Testament Scriptures. Let me explain what I mean.

First of all, the essence of 'keeping the Sabbath holy´ was refraining from physical work. Doing physical work was the only way you could break the Sabbath in Israel. There was no 'going to church´ or any other prescribed worship connected with the Sabbath. This was clear from the first institution of the Sabbath in Exodus 16. Look at the first mention of the Sabbath in Scripture.

22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. 23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. 24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein. 25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field. 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. 28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? 29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. 30 So the people rested on the seventh day. Ex. 16:22-30 (KJV)

Verse 29 says that God 'gave you the Sabbath.´ You don´t 'give something´ to someone who already has it. They were to gather enough manna on the sixth day for two days and God promised it would not, as was the case on any other day, spoil. They could trust God the manna would keep. They were to totally rest on the seventh day. They were not even allowed to walk out and gather the manna.

Later, when the Sabbath is given as the sign of the covenant, it became crystal clear that the only way to break the Sabbath was physical work. Exodus 31:14-15 is quite explicit.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. (KJV)

They are commanded in verse 14 to 'not defile the Sabbath,´ and Moses immediately equates 'defiling the Sabbath´ with 'doing any physical work´. Both verses state that any form of physical work would result in death. There is a constant refrain of 'Do not work´. Don´t even lift a finger to pick up sticks. 'Cease from your work and rest´. God told them they were to gather two days supply on the sixth day. 'Trust me, it will not spoil´ as it would on any other day.

As you read all the Sabbath references you keep hearing, 'Cease from your work, trust me´. The message is 'faith, not works´. You can hear the echoes of Romans 4:4,5 crying out, "To him that worketh not but believeth . . ." The Sabbath pushed a man away from works to the rest of faith. The Sabbath preached the gospel of rest.

The yearly Sabbath also preached the gospel.

The twenty-fifth chapter of Leviticus describes the yearly Sabbath. Just as there was a weekly Sabbath (as well as many other Sabbaths since most of the holy days were Sabbaths regardless of which day they fell on), there was a seventh year Sabbath. Just as the weekly Sabbath commanded 'no work´ so the seventh year Sabbath commanded no work during the entire year. They could do no physical work at all for one whole year. They were not allowed to plow, cultivate or harvest for a whole year. They could eat from the land and the grapevines, but the poor and the stranger could do likewise. Verses 25-27 are instructive.

20 You may ask, "What will we eat in the seventh year if we do not plant or harvest our crops?" 21 I will send you such a blessing in the sixth year that the land will yield enough for three years. 22 While you plant during the eighth year, you will eat from the old crop and will continue to eat from it until the harvest of the ninth year comes in. Lev 25:20-22 (NIV)

Again God was teaching, "You do not live by your works but by my grace. Trust me, allow the land to lie idle, I will give you all you need." Like the weekly Sabbath, the seventh year Sabbath also pushed the Israelite from works to faith. It preached the gospel. It forced him to faith as opposed to living by his own work.

The greatest of all Sabbaths was every fifty years. Just as six days were followed by a Sabbath day of rest, and six years were followed by a Sabbath year of rest, the seventh Sabbath year was followed by the Year of Jubilee. All debts and mortgages of every kind were canceled. Everyone returned back to the original land that was given to his fathers.

You can imagine an Israelite who was in debt, with the family farm mortgaged. He would rise early on the morning of Jubilee and eagerly wait to hear the trumpet of the ram´s horn and the announcement that 'Jubilee had come´. That is exactly what our Lord did in Luke 4:19 when he said he came to proclaim the "acceptable year of the Lord," or "the year of the Lord´s favor." He was putting the gospel trumpet to his lips and saying, "Jubilee has come, the Lord´s great Sabbath day has dawned." We have regained in Christ far more than we lost in Eden. Every debt we owe is paid and we are totally free. We live in the year of Jubilee. We have entered into the true Sabbath rest in Christ.

Some years ago a friend preached a sermon from Hebrews four and covered some of the things I just mentioned. One lady said, "That is the first sermon I ever heard on the Sabbath that made me happy." That was because it was the first biblical sermon she had ever heard on the Sabbath. She had heard many sermons on 'Sabbath do´s and don´ts´ but had never heard a sermon on the 'Sabbath done forever´.

Let me close with three clear statements:

One: If a sermon on the Sabbath of God does not make you want to shout for joy, then the preacher did not preach about God´s true Sabbath.

Two: If you did not get a clear, close up view of Christ and his saving benefits that have been given to you by his 'work´, then you did not hear a biblical sermon on the Sabbath rest of God.

Three: If your Sabbath theology has never gotten you past the seventh day of the week to the 'Day of Salvation,´ nor gotten you out of Exodus 20 to stand under the cross, to see the resurrection, and gaze upon the ascended Christ, then you do not correctly understand the Sabbath. Christ is Himself the Sabbath and biblical Sabbath preaching always leads to the cross and the joy of assurance of salvation.

J.G. Reisinger
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[1] For a detailed argument that the seventh day Sabbath was not given to Adam but was first given to Israel in Exodus 16, see John Bunyan´s article on the Sabbath.

 2011/4/10 1:27Profile
cryinthenite
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Christinyou is right Jesus is our sabbath its just that simple.
The flesh loves to find some rest in doing somthing it can feel good about like laws but that can never give one true rest.

Only Jesus kept the law PERFECTLY so God placed us in Him that we might find rest from the law that we could never keep.

If one wants to keep the law they MUST keep the whole law not just one part! Good luck with that:>)

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Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Well, you say that the Sabbath is not Mosaic and it is not under the system of laws that God gave to the Jews, but it is something that God founded in the very beginning.

Does your Bible say that God founded the Sabbath for Himself here, or for man? Does your Bible say that man rested or that God rested?

There is no record of God giving Adam a commandment to rest on the seventh day. All we are told is that God rested. There is no record or statement at all that God revealed this to Adam at that time.

If you take the whole book of Genesis, the Bible talks about Abraham being a righteous man and it describes in detail, going to places and worshipping. It describes in detail, time and again, his offering of sacrifices and his falling down and praying and it talked of his righteousness, but it never mentioned him keeping the Sabbath. That is very strange. The Bible mentions his tithing, but it never mentions his Sabbath keeping.

Then we have Isaac, who was also a righteous man and no mention of the Sabbath. Then we have Jacob and all his trials that he goes through with God and God teaching him and yet no mention of the Sabbath or Sabbath keeping. Then we have the 12 sons of Jacob and we have their devotion to God and Joseph going down to Egypt, and the Bible makes a big point of Joseph’s faithfulness to God. Down in Egypt, he worships God, he prays and they try to find some fault in him and yet, no mention of him ever keeping the Sabbath.

And then we come to Moses and we see Moses fleeing Egypt and then coming back but yet again no mention of Moses keeping the Sabbath. You find Moses dealing with the Jews for over a year and plagues coming but you find no mention of them ever keeping the Sabbath. And then when Moses tells Pharoah that he wants to take the people and go 3 days journey and worship, he never says that they want to go keep the Sabbath. Moses never said that they want to keep the Sabbath holy unto God. If they kept the Sabbath, this would be the place to say it!

There is a conspicuous absence of any Patriarch keeping the Sabbath until Moses receives it as a commandment from God. This is irrefutable from the KJV Bible and even other Bibles. So, to tell us that God instituted Sabbath Keeping from the book of Genesis is absolutely false! He instituted nothing of the kind. The Bible tells us that He rested. That was His business! And when He got ready to reveal it, He revealed it to the nation of Israel and it was a sign between Him and the nation of Israel. Not between anyone else. A sign of a covenant. A covenant that he made with the nation of Israel. He never made that covenant with the nations of Gentiles. And the Gentiles have not entered into that covenant.

The covenant that the Gentiles have entered into is the covenant that God made with Abraham to bless the world through his seed. Abraham was a Gentile not a Jew, not an Israelite and he did not keep the Sabbath. When God made a covenant with the nation of Israel, He made it with the Jews, with the Israelites, not with Abraham and the Bible never speaks of us, the Church, as being the seed of Jacob (Israel) or the seed of Isaac. It speaks of us being the seed of Abraham by faith and that has nothing to do with the nation of Israel. We are the seed of a Gentile that did not keep the Sabbath, not the seed of an Israelite or a Jew who was commanded to keep the Sabbath.

A777

 2011/4/11 12:55
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These verses and their context should be practically helpful for the participation in this thread as well as in response to the topic.


Colossians 2:16-17 (King James Version)

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.



Colossians 2:16-17 (English Standard Version)


16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.


Romans 14:5 (King James Version)

5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Romans 14:5 (English Standard Version)

5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.


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Hi a777,

I've never seen this approach to explaining the Sabbath's relevance to Israel only. It makes a lot of sense following on savannah's article, which goes to some length explaining the rest which was enjoyed in Eden, to which through Christ's victory, we can return, through the Holy Spirit.

I was musing separately from this thread, that there is no point in being a Christian if one is not interested in victory over sin. Christ's determination to conquer sin and death on the cross was the whole reason He wanted to die for us. To be like Him, we also must deeply desire that victory.


From savannah's post by Reisinger,

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Neither God nor Adam ever cried out for rest because they were worn out in fatigue.

But a few years after Adam died, Lamech, the sixth generation male (seventh if Eve is included as the second person), named his son Noah (Rest), saying, 'This [same] shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.' (Gen 5:29).

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