God bless you bigwillie. I too love God's law - and it is not grievous for He is right and just in all things. And I love my Lord Jesus - who is Lord of the sabbath. And I love the Holy Spirit who shows me the way unto obedience.

Heartsong.

Jesus is the only way. Observing the Sabbath will not lead to eternal life. To claim such is to add to the gift of salvation. I pray that your eyes and heart open to this.

It Jesus, and Him alone. Not Jesus ++++ Only Jesus.

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Christiaan

Matthew 12:8 - For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mark 2:28 - Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Luke 6:5 - And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.


Not Jesus IS the sabbath. Jesus is Lord OF the sabbath.

Heartsong. How'd that work for the thief on the cross? Did he keep the Sabbath, or did he believe?

Cannot be both ways.

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Christiaan

Well, he certainly did not break the sabbath.

You don't know that. In fact, all it says is that He asked Jesus to remember him. To add to that is to add to the Word of the Lord.

Your convictions are not scriptual.

The Thief asked Jesus. Thats all. If it were more, Jesus would have said the following...

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise,"... as long as you kept the sabbath!

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Christiaan

Through the book of Hebrews, you'll see that the Law was only a shadow of the good things to come, and not the
very form of those things, and that it could not make perfect those who draw near.

There was One who came in point of time who could. His blood was better than the blood of bulls and of goats and of sacrifices. He had entered by His own blood into the heavenly place, and entered once and for all.

Religious acts and works that stem from a bad conscience, that is to say, something that you feel obliged to do, are called dead works by God.

The work of God comes always and eminently out of the rest of God, and is always performed on the Sabbath day, and no other. It alone is that act which brings sight to the blind.

When the Jews of Jesus’ time were antagonized and stupefied at this bewildering Man, who performed these
glorious things on the wrong day, He could say to them in utter simplicity that it was the Father who was doing the works.

John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One."

Consider Jesus as you have never before considered Him—the Son in whose image we also are called. The one who is joined to Him is one spirit with Him. We can understand Paul better when he says that he lives and moves and has his being in Him.

Jesus has rent the veil and bids us come, not on the basis of our qualification, but on the basis of His blood.

He bids us to enter his rest "The Sabbath day"

It is the Sabbath rest that God has prepared for His people that he bids us to enter. Hebrews 4:10–11

10 ... he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest...

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Colin Murray

Colossians 2:15-17 (King James Version)

15. "And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon,

OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS...

17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."


LET NO MAN JUDGE YOU.......

Sorry ladies and gentleman. When someone says that you need to keep the sabbath in order to be saved, I will speak out.

Its Christ, and Him alone. There is no other way to salvation. Not Christ plus works, not Christ plus dedication, not Christ plus the sabbath.

Christ alone.

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Christiaan

It is a serious thing to add to the word of the Lord. To claim that any Gentile was ever commanded to observe the Sabbath is bearing false witness by adding to the commandment. The Sinaitic commandment is specific "Speak to the sons of Israel and command them."

Those who claim the Covenant of Sinai and it's laws were given for any other nation other than Israel are bearing false witness by changing the word of God by adding to it and thus taking it beyond its original scope.

Gentiles were never put to death for working on the Sabbath because they were never commanded to observe the Sabbath from the beginning. Changing the Sabbath from a sign to be observed between Yahweh and the sons of Israel to a law given for all men to keep is a transgression of the Law itself.

Paul clearly states that there were those "under the Law" and those "without Law". People who place everyone "under the Law" of Sinai are bearing a false witness by changing the very Law they are promoting. The Sabbath was to be a sign between the Lord and the sons of Israel. Those making it a commandment to all men have added to the Law and God will prove them a liar for doing so.

Those who choose to observe a day unto the Lord - should continue to do so unto the Lord. They are approved by faith. Those who go beyond what is written by preaching that all men should observance the Sabbath and judge others accordingly have missed the mark and gone beyond what is written. They are in gross error, not for their own observance which can be by faith unto the Lord, but for bearing false witness by adding to the Law itself and transgressing the limited scope orignially intended for "the sons of Israel."

Consider the clear distinction between Gentiles who were idolators and Israelites. God winked at the Gentiles who were idolators through their ignorance while at the same time it was capital punishment for any Israelite who made or bowed down to an image. This is because the Gentiles were not included in the Covenant of Sinai and never under the obligations or blessing of the Covenant.

Gentiles were always strangers to the Covenant with Israel, and to attempt to place upon them the observance of the Sabbath which was to be a sign between Yahweh and the sons of Israel is to bear a false witness.

makrothumia

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Alan and Dina Martin