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RobertW
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Hi Staff,

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1.We do know that the people here are dead saints.



My original point was, "We simply don't know who they were specifically..." That is to say, we don't know who they were (Jeremiah, Isaiah, unknown saints, etc.)

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2.The veil rent is a permanent event and it is unlikely the consequences are temporary.



The rending of the Temple vail was no doubt permanent, but that was a sign also. You will know that Jesus Christ is the living torn vail through which we approach God (Hebrews 10:20). The Temple itself would soon be destroyed by Titus.

If those that were 'raised' were raised in a different manor than all others that had been raised in the past (Lazarus, etc.), so that they are now in their glorified body, they would have had to have been taken to heaven. I remain unconvinced.

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Our views on when resurrections happen filter back and glaze over our view of other scripture,We look through the lens of our resurection view if we are not careful,instead of looking at what actually is being said.



I want to go back and consider this as well:


This is what is meant when it says... he lead captivity captive.They were in a good place when they died but still waiting for christ to bring them to heaven.So these holy people didnt live again on earth but were resurected when Christ died on the Cross.
When Jesus died on the Cross he said to the thief that he would be with him in paradise that day,but we know that it Christ was resurected three days later so paradise must have not been in heaven but if you like a good compartment of hell,


Those that have died have indeed passed on into eternity. (Eccl. 12:7) They are disembodied spirits awaiting the resurrection of the body that they might not remain unclothed, but be clothed upon in their glorious body. I agree that Abraham's Bosom is now in the presence of the Lord as Paul said he was 'caught up unto Paradise,' etc. But what is in view in my comments is the physical body, not the immaterial part of man.

There is no doubt that God relocated Abraham's Bosom, but this is very different from the Resurrection of the Dead. We have this statement from Job, "For I know that my Redeemer liveth; and that he shall stand at the latter-day upon the earth: and though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God." (Job 19)" And again... There shall be a resurrection of the dead, both the of the just and unjust." (Acts 24:15) Our verb here is in the future tense. Hope that clarifies.


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TheeOx
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Matt 27
52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
This is my understanding.

Thanks!
Thee


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 2011/3/4 12:27Profile
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Hi,
I have been thinking about this scripture today and on the post replys.
I think what happened is that when Jesus died,he paid the price for our separation,God caused the veil to be rent by an earthquake as a sign that this separation was over as Robert said.The consequence of the price been paid for our seperation was that the old testement saints were no longer seperated from Gods presence.If you notice not all saints appeared but only some.The saints that appeared like the veil were a sign also.The appearance of these saints was temporary lasting only that day.However the consequences were permenant,all the old testament saints were no longer separated from gods presence through Christ.
Yours Staff

 2011/3/4 16:58Profile
kwamenat
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 Re: Those Dead That Came Back to Life

TheeOX, Thanks for asking. I have always thought about it myself.

Robert, I enjoyed reading your comments..very sound.

What do you guys think about this excerpt below from a sermon i received a couple of years ago from a friend when i asked the same question


There are six feasts or festivals listed in Leviticus 23–Passover or Unleavened Bread (vv. 4-8; cf. Exo 12:3-20; Deut 16:1-8), First Fruits or Wave Sheaf (vv. 9-11; cf. Exo 34:22; Deut 16:9-10); Pentecost or “Feast of Weeks” (vv. 15-16; cf. Exo 23: Num 28:26; Deut 16:9-14), Trumpets or Rosh Ha-shanah (v. 24; cf. Num 29:1), Atonement (vv. 26-32; cf. Exo 30:10; Lev 16), and Tabernacles or “Feast of Booths” or “Feast of Ingathering” (vv. 33-36; cf. Num 29:12-38; Deut 16:13). The first three of these were celebrated in the Spring, and the last three festivals took place in the Fall or Autumn.

It should be observed that these festivals were to be celebrated “in their seasons” (Lev 23:4; KJV), that is to say, “at the time appointed for them” (RSV) or “at their appointed times” (NIV). In other words, the dates for these festivals were not arbitrarily chosen. Their sequences were divinely appointed. The timing of these festivals had prophetic significance on God’s prophetic time table. Because of space limitations, we shall only look at the Spring festivals---Passover, First Fruits, and Pentecost.

1. Feast of Passover (Lev 23:5). Passover (and the week of unleavened bread associated with it) was the first of the three spring festivals of ancient Israel. It commemorated God’s redemptive act on the eve of Israel’s exodus from Egypt, when the angel of death “passed over” the Hebrew houses that had a lamb’s blood on the door posts (Exo 12:13). But the feast of Passover also pointed to the death of our Lord Jesus Christ, the “lamb of God who taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29).

As predicted, Christ fulfilled the symbolic prophecy of Passover when He was crucified on Easter (Passover) Friday (John 19:14-36). He couldn’t have died on any other day. It had to be on the Passover day. The apostle Paul, therefore, writes that “Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us” (1 Cor 5:7).

2. Feast of Wave Sheaf or First fruits (Lev 23:9-11). In ancient Palestine, the grain harvest lasted seven weeks, beginning with the barley harvest right after Passover and ending with the wheat harvest on Pentecost. Since barley ripens a few weeks before wheat, the ceremony of barley wave-sheaf offering marked the starting point of the fifty days countown to Pentecost.

The purpose of the wave-sheaf offering was to consecrate and inaugurate the Spring grain harvest which lasted about seven weeks. On this day, the priest would take the first sheaves of barley, lift them in the air and wave them in the presence of God. It was an acknowledgement that (i) the first-fruits of man, beast, and harvest belong to God (Ex 13:2; 22:29) and that (ii) the God who had blessed the land with first fruits of grain will bring about an abundant harvest (cf. Deut 26:10).

This festival pointed to the first-fruits of the spiritual harvest of Christ’s redemption. In other words, it pointed to the resurrection of Christ. Since the feast of first fruits or wave-sheaf fell on “the morrow after the Passover sabbath” (cf. Lev 23:15-16), and since Christ died on Friday, the Feast of First Fruits fell on Easter Sunday. Thus, according the prophetic calendar enshrined in the feasts of ancient Israel, Christ would rise from the dead on the third day. It was on the basis of His knowledge of this prophecy that our Lord Himself repeatedly told His disciples about His impending death and how He would “rise from the death the third day” (Luke 24:46; cf. Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:33-34; Matt 12:40; John 2:19-22).

Thus, as predicted by the Old Testament Feast of First fruits, Jesus rose from the dead the third day after His crucifixion as the first fruits of those who rise from the dead. Writes the apostle Paul: “But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ” (1 Cor 15:20-23).

The wave sheaf of the first fruits of the harvest was a type of Christ, the ‘first fruits,’ or pledge, of the great harvest that will follow when all the righteous dead are raised at the second coming of Jesus (1 Cor 15:23; 1 Thess 4:14-16). Christ rose from the dead on the very day that the wave sheaf was presented in the Temple (Lev 23:13; Luke 23:56; 24:1). As the first sheaf was a pledge and assurance of the ingathering of the entire harvest, so the resurrection of Christ is a pledge that all who put their trust in Him will be raised from the dead.

It is significant to note that during the wave-sheaf ceremony, the priest did not present to the Lord just one head of grain, but a whole sheaf of barley. Similarly, on that Easter Sunday, Jesus did not come forth from the grave alone. Matthew 27:52-53 tells us that on the day Jesus was resurrected, “the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.” The apostle Paul tells us in Ephesians 4:8 that when Christ “ascended on high he led a host of captives.” And John the Revelator describes some 24 elders who are currently in heaven (Rev 5:8, 11).

As the offering of the first sheaf of barley was a pledge of the coming harvest, these resurrected saints ascended with Christ to heaven as trophies of His power to resurrect all who sleep in the grave. Their presence in heaven assures us that when Christ appears at His second coming, countless multitudes who sleep in the dust will awaken. There will be a great harvest when Jesus comes.

 2011/3/4 17:25Profile
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Hi Kwanmenet.
That sermon looks interesting,thanks for postingf.It seems to agree with the simple explanation of the text.Staff

 2011/3/4 18:13Profile
kwamenat
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Ya, It wouldn't make sense for God to raise them and up and then for them to do go back to the grave. Some may ask..what about Lazarus? Lazarus and others who Christ brought back to life were part of the miracles that Christ did so that the power He had would be manifested so that they may believe. If you read it carefully and in context the people in the grave came back up for a different reason. I don't think it will be going overboard to say they went up with Christ.

 2011/3/6 12:06Profile
TheeOx
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 Re: Those Dead That Came Back to Life

WOW!!
Thanks so much to everyone who answered! Yeah, this topic is a bit of a head buzzer, and as the one respondent said, if we were meant to know what happened to them, that God would have put an answer in Scripture.

You folks are so smart! I have learned much by your posts.

I love you all and thanks again. I can tell I am going to enjoy my time here. I just have to start hanging around here more often!!

God Bless you all,
Yer Pal always,
Thee


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