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Earendel
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by Christinyou on 2011/2/9 15:22:45
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
Where is God bringing them from? Sleep but able to be brought with Jesus for the first resurrection, of which the second death has no hold on.
In Christ: Phillip
Sleep = dead in body, but not dead in spirit form.
Else how do you explain Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration if he were not consciously living? Moses is dead in body, but not in spirit form. His body sleeps in the earth, while he is conscious in spirit.
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JB1968
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| | Re: | | "Sleep = dead in body, but not dead in spirit form."
Why do soul sleepers find this so hard to believe? Our body at death may be asleep for awhile, yea, till the resurrection. However, our soul is very much alive with God.
What a blessed time it will be to see our Savior face to face!
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"Sleep = dead in body, but not dead in spirit form." Why do soul sleepers find this so hard to believe? Our body at death may be asleep for awhile, yea, till the resurrection. However, our soul is very much alive with God. What a blessed time it will be to see our Savior face to face!
I have often wondered why it's necessary to resurrect this flesh? When I leave this world, this flesh is one thing that I really don't want to see again. I would love to see what kind of a building is taking place inside of me, now that is something worth seeing.
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Earendel
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kwamenat
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| | Re: | | It seems like we are all saying the same thing. I don't think anybody on here is saying that our actual bodies are taken to heaven.
PS: Please lets stick with the question in the thread instead of bashing denominations!! |
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Our spirits are taken to Heaven but our spirits are Not asleep once there. So, if this is about the doctrine of soul sleep, then we're not all saying the same thing.
The same word used for "sleep" = "koimao", is the word "dead" in this verse in 1Corinthians 7:39 The wifeG1135 is boundG1210 by the lawG3551 as long asG1909 G3745 G5550 herG848 husbandG435 liveth;G2198 butG1161 ifG1437 herG848 husbandG435 be *DEAD*G2837, she isG2076 at libertyG1658 to be marriedG1060 to whomG3739 she will;G2309 onlyG3440 inG1722 the Lord.G2962
No one's sleeping "under the altar" and it's obvious from the other verses given earlier in this thread that the Saints are quite awake, even before The LORD Returns and grants them all their Glorified body, like His as spoken of in 1 Corth 15.
It takes a number of false beliefs before a "denomination" becomes a cult. Demoninations are normally within the standard Protestant Church with basic similar tenets of faith... like "by Grace through faith alone". That's an essential.
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| | Re: | | I Cor. 15 goes into great detail about the resurrection. Glorified bodies will be perfect.
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PS: Please lets stick with the question in the thread instead of bashing denominations!!
Kwamenat,
This is a public forum, if you are going to come here and promote the teachings of this cult publicly then you should be prepared to answer questions publicly, even if they are not related directly to the topic. Please don't hide behind a bashing label. I will ask the question again;
I wonder if you could tell us if you agree with these other things that they teach?
1) Ellen G. Whites writings are as inspired as the Bible.
2) "Those who are living upon the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator." (The Great Controversy, p. 425).
3) In the last days, just before Jesus returns, only those worshipping on Saturday will be saved. Worshipping on Sunday will be the mark of the beast.
4) The atonement was not completed at the cross, but is still in the process of being completed.
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kwamenat
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| | Re: | | InTheLight,
You can post this under a different thread like one of the thread i started "different denominations but sincere Christians- is it possible" and i will answer all of the questions honestly. People reading this thread came to read scripture regarding the state of the dead so i hope you understand my point my good brother.
However be sure that your questions are in context and not something you googled. For example what do you mean by inspired? Are you trying to say that God cannot use people our age to give us a message through his Spirit. Of course it cannot be contrary to the Bible. For example there are many preachers featured on sermonindex that are clearly led by the Spirit who are inspired by God to give us a message. Of course the WORD of GOD and only the WORD is authorative.
No other writings or messages can ever take the place of the word of God. It is the standard by which all who claim to have truth are to be tested. Isaiah 8:20
Here is a quote by Ellen White from the same book you quoted
The Spirit was not givennor can it ever be bestowedto supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.The Great Controversy, page vii)
If you haven't read the whole book i am not ready to discuss anything with you because that means you are judging without really caring to find out whether what folks are saying are true or not. Even on worldly topics, wise critics read and analyze thoroughly before speaking against something.
I am ready to answer any question with Scripture. I have nothing to hide. Amazing how each denominations think another denomination is a cult. Same way you may think how can someone believe something like this..same way i sometime wonder how so called Christians can believe things that are so clear in the Bible (like the state of the dead)..especially when the Bible talks so much about resurrection and that when you die you are "asleep". Oh may the Lord help us. One day the truth shall be known. Those who search thoroughly with an open heart will know the truth. I am still learning day by day..as a matter fact i learned a lot from this forum that i did not know before.
blessings my brother
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InTheLight
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I am ready to answer any question with Scripture. I have nothing to hide. Amazing how each denominations think another denomination is a cult.
Kwamenat,
My heart does go out to you and I pray that there will be nothing of truth hidden from you.
My pastor is a former SDA minister and so I am very familiar with that system and have heard the testimonies of many who have come out of it and found true rest in Jesus Christ. I know that being raised in the Adventist bubble often makes coming out a long and difficult struggle, but God is faithful and merciful to those who honestly seek Him. In Christ Jesus one can truly know rest from the doubts and fears of the investigative judgment, SDA rules, and the demands of perfection.
One thing I would like you to consider is how you have painted the SDA as just another denomination - a part of the whole if you will - and yet the SDA itself teaches that they are the only remnant people of God. Doesn't the SDA teach that outsiders are lost in apostacy and those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast? Doesn't the SDA teach that outsiders will persecute them for worshiping on the "right" day? Doesn't the SDA teach that they are called out and have confidential information that Christians don't have?
How can you reconcile this two-faced approach with the Word of God that is to be handled without deceit?
In Christ,
Ron
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