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 Re: Could I get a Post Tribulation view if possible on the following....


Edited by addition of OC extract. See below original post.


Hello psalm1,

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Instead of attacking my faith and character why not show me the "correct interpretation"

Brother, no way was I attacking your character, but, I was challenging what you believe. That is the nature of most threads, and in particular this one on the matter of the 'great tribulation'.

You have quoted me a lot of scripture, so I thought it would be okay to ask you to do some close reading. For instance, I was quite surprised at the first quote from Revelation 2, and I was sure you'd spot that the person promising to give a certain person 'great tribulation', is Jesus Himself. Now this is not my idea of ANY kind of tribulation, which I associate (as you do) with persecution. In that particular instance, it was to be a chastening in hope of bringing about repentance. This is not really 'persecution' as Jesus described it in the Sermon on the Mount.

Regarding this oft-repeated scenario of the antiChrist beheading all the Christians left on earth after the other Christians have been raptured (before the 'great tribulation'), I am bemused by the lack of reference to those saints who were beheaded in the first century AD, such as the apostle Paul. Please can you tell why they are never mentioned in the version of pre-trib doctrine which you expressed, and where they are now, or will be, at the rapture?

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My view of the rapture and end times is Bride/Bridegroom/Wedding centered

I can agree with this in principle as a stand-alone statement.

What I don't agree is that anyone of whom Christ says, 'Depart from me, I never knew you', is going to either attend the marriage supper of the Lamb as a guest, or, as a part of the Bride. There is a betrothal ceremony which precedes Jewish weddings by some time (months), when the arrangement to marry is fixed, and the couple make a commitment to each other. It is clear that the people to whom Christ says, 'I never knew you', are those who have not made a meaningful commitment to Him. If they had, showing it by doing the will of His Father, He would have been able to recognise them.


About the twelve tribes, I don't know the answer for sure, except to say they are referred to as 'servants', which may mean they are from the Old Testament era, because New Testament saints are sons, as the comparison shows, between the two verses below.

Hebrews 3:5 And Moses verily [was] faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; 6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.


EDIT: also these verses:

John 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.



THE DISCIPLINE OF DIFFICULTY ~ Oswald Chambers,
My Utmost for His Highest, August 2nd.

"In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33

An average view of the Christian life is that it means deliverance from trouble. It is deliverance IN trouble, which is very different. "He that dwelleth in the secret place of the Most High . . . THERE shall no evil befall thee" - no plague can come nigh the place where you are at one with God.

If you are a child of God, there certainly will be troubles to meet, but Jesus says do not be surprised when they come. "In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world, there is nothing for you to fear." Men who before they were saved would scorn to talk about troubles, often become "fushionless" after being born again because they have a wrong idea of a saint.

God does not give us overcoming life: He gives us life as we overcome. The strain is the strength. If there is no strain, there is no strength. Are you asking God to give you life and liberty and joy? He cannot, unless you will accept the strain. Immediately you face the strain, you will get the strength. Overcome your own timidity and take the step, and God will give you to eat of the tree of life and you will get nourishment. If you spend yourself out physically, you become exhausted; but spend yourself spiritually, and you get more strength. God never gives strength for to-morrow, or for the next hour, but only for the strain of the minute. The temptation is to face difficulties from a common-sense standpoint. The saint is hilarious when he is crushed with difficulties because the thing is so ludicrously impossible to anyone but God.

 2011/3/14 20:49
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 Re: A Post Trib View

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God does not give us overcoming life: He gives us life as we overcome. The strain is the strength. If there is no strain, there is no strength. Are you asking God to give you life and liberty and joy? He cannot, unless you will accept the strain. Immediately you face the strain, you will get the strength. Overcome your own timidity and take the step, and God will give you to eat of the tree of life and you will get nourishment. If you spend yourself out physically, you become exhausted; but spend yourself spiritually, and you get more strength. God never gives strength for to-morrow, or for the next hour, but only for the strain of the minute. The temptation is to face difficulties from a common-sense standpoint. The saint is hilarious when he is crushed with difficulties because the thing is so ludicrously impossible to anyone but God.



Wow, Linn...you understand my long nights alone with God and no sleep a lot better than I would have hoped.

And yes, the laughter is ludicrous...in fact, hysterical is the word I would use.


Blessings to all!

Forrest


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Forrest Anderson

 2011/3/28 17:00Profile









 Re: Could I get a Post Tribulation view if possible on the following....

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The saint is hilarious when he is crushed with difficulties because the thing is so ludicrously impossible to anyone but God.
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Wow, Linn...you understand my long nights alone with God and no sleep a lot better than I would have hoped.

And yes, the laughter is ludicrous...in fact, hysterical is the word I would use.

Good to hear from you, sis.

I think that last sentence is a cracker! I lost track of where I'd posted it, so it's a real blessing to see it again. This time I won't lose it!

 2011/3/29 20:34





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