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| | Power over the World, the flesh, and the devil..and to heal... | | "Does the new testament prophet have a mantle and does God pass the mantle ?"..staff
In my opinion, no, the New Testament prophet has no mantle. He has a walk, abiding and enduring, either bearing fruit to God, or not.
He however, does have a CALLING....Romans 1..
1. Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God
2. which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures.
I believe all of the 5-fold are called. Whether they are faithful, and inevitably bear fruit to God, has to do in their willingness to abide and obey.
Romans 11
29. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
To me, a mantle seems to be too much like a magic wand, and it would be far too important to be neglected , as it is, by the teachings of Paul, and the apostles.
Saying that, I believe that very soon we will see men arise with great authority that will stun the religious world, and the power of darkness alike, with anointed power.
As long as they walk in the humility, and graces of Christ, I guess you could call that a mantle. This will follow the apostolic preaching of the Gospel.
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|  2010/11/24 20:18 | | twayneb
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I have one question that remains, Does the new testament prophet have a mantle and does God pass the mantle ? oops thats two questions,staff
If by "mantle" you simply mean an abiding anointing of the Holy Spirit to BE a prophet, then I would say yes. In this case the "mantle" is the gift of God on the person to be a five fold ministry gift to the body of Christ. And yes, it is God who calls a person to be a prophet. No one can choose this for him or herself. (Brothertom said it pretty well I think)
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| | 2010/11/25 13:12 | Profile | cryinthenite
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| | Re: Power over the World, the flesh, and the devil..and to heal... | | In this age its very simple,TRUTH is the spirit of prophecy REV 19:10.Does one have the spirit of truth,do you walk in truth,do you woship in sirit and truth?JOHN 4:23 Christ wants truth in the inward parts only then can he entrust us with more of Himself.We get proud if it were any other way.DO NOT LOOK FOR PROPHETS TODAY LOOK UP FOR THE DAY OF HIS APPEARING DRAWS NEAR.2TIM 4:1,4:8,TIT2:13,1PET1:7Just look to Jesus only and love your brother to the end. |
| | 2010/11/25 13:32 | Profile | staff
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| | Re: | | Hi,In asking about the mantle mentioned in the old testament I was trying to find out the differences between the Old and The New as it applies to the gift of Prophets,Staff |
| | 2010/11/25 18:07 | Profile | ADisciple
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| | Re: Power over the World, the flesh, and the devil..and to heal... | | Quote:
Saying that, I believe that very soon we will see men arise with great authority that will stun the religious world, and the power of darkness alike, with anointed power.
I believe that also, Tom.
A question.
What do you think those men are doing at the moment? Or, to put that another way, what's the preparation, or the qualfication, for such a mantle? (I'm okay with the word: I think it's another way of saying, "the anointing.")
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| | Re: Greater works coming upon His trusted ones. | | "I believe that also, Tom.
A question.
"What do you think those men are doing at the moment? Or, to put that another way, what's the preparation, or the qualification, for such a mantle?" ADisciple.
THEY ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH, FOR RESUURECTION SAKE.
There are a couple of scriptures that hint at the preparation for God's Possession to use in this capacity, that I like.
Hosea 2
"I will answer the heavens,
And they shall answer the earth.
22. The earth shall answer
With grain,
With new wine,
And with oil;
They shall answer Jezreel.
23. Then I will sow her for Myself in the earth,
And I will have mercy on her who had not obtained mercy;.....................................
I will sow her for MYSELF! This speaks of a seed falling into the ground, and dying.
2 Corinthians, 1
8. For we do not want you to be unaware, brethren, of our affliction which came to us in Asia, that we were burdened excessively, beyond our strength, so that we despaired even of life;
9. indeed, we had the sentence of death within ourselves so that we would not trust in ourselves, but in God who raises the dead;
This speaks also of the sentence of death, so that a man's trust is fully in Jesus, not his ego or natural strength or ideas.
I believe that this is the primary experience today of these hidden ones, being prepared, about to emerge, in the power of a Paul, or Phillip.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
John 14:11-13
He went to His Father after dying, and being raised; holding all power for us.
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| | 2010/11/25 20:33 | | ADisciple
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This speaks also of the sentence of death, so that a man's trust is fully in Jesus, not his ego or natural strength or ideas.
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I believe that this is the primary experience today of these hidden ones, being prepared, about to emerge, in the power of a Paul, or Phillip.
Yes, I agree. I believe God has hidden ones that He is preparing in the way you have pointed out. He's going to release a powerful word through them... and it's not going to be all that well appreciated.
And these hidden ones, I don't think they are really thinking of themselves as prophets in the making, either.
I think of Amos, when Amaziah the priest of Bethel told him to take his prophecies elsewhere.
Amos responded, "I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycamore fruit; And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto My people Israel" (Amos 7.14,15).
In other words, Amos was just a working man. He wasn't in prophecy school, didn't even consider himself a prophet. He was just doing an ordinary job, learning the Voice of the Lord, and obedience.
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| | 2010/11/25 20:56 | Profile | twayneb
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Hi,In asking about the mantle mentioned in the old testament I was trying to find out the differences between the Old and The New as it applies to the gift of Prophets,Staff
If I am understanding this question right the question might be what is the difference in how OT prophets and NT prophets function. There are ways in which OT prophets were called to function that NT prophets are not. Much foretelling of future events was given to the OT prophets. This foretelling was broad as it dealt with nations, kingdoms, Christ's coming,and the end times. I believe that this function has been completed for the most part. Much of what the OT prophets said was canonized. Not so for NT prophets. There is some revelation of future events as to specific people committed to NT prophets such as the prophecy over Paul that he would be bound in Jerusalem and sent to Rome. This came through Agabus, a NT prophet. But for the most part the foretelling of the future was completed in the OT prophets.
NT prophets are often given prophetic words for the body in which they serve that is administrative, corrective, and instructive in how to relate the the Holy Spirit and to the word of God. For example, a prophet that I know well was given a message for the body that has served to keep our attention focused on correction coming to the ways of men that are masquerading as the ways of God, the religious structure built of men and on which man has placed God's name. It was a strong word and has served to keep us focused on seeking God for His will and not relying on the forms and templates that are often familiar but often of man's own making. It has spurred us to seek God and His ways and will rather than relying on ourselves and our own wisdom. I see the gift of prophecy flowing through this person in a stronger and more consistent way than I do through myself or other Christians who have not been called to be prophets. The function is a bit different than in th eOT, but is still vital in the body.
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| | 2010/11/25 22:08 | Profile | paula4jc
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I personally do not think that we have "prophets" today like we think of in the Bible
You all I have been listening to Dr. Owuour - www.repentandpreparetheway.org - and even plan to go to the Dec 10 meeting in Dominican Republic/Haiti.
I beleive this guy message is from the throne room/heart of God.
I have never heard any one expound on the scripture like this guy.
From my research his prophesy are 100% accurate, especially Haiti earthquke which in our back yard.
Also, how do we explain the massive healing of every disease under the sun such as; HIV+, deaf and mute, blind, crippled, cancer, brain tumor, hole in heart, etc.
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| | 2010/11/26 10:32 | Profile | Lysa
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I'm not trying to discourage you since you have your plane ticket and all! :)
But have you listened to Art Katz? Derek Prince? Zac Poonen?
I've never heard this guy but I will give him a listen.... I've listened to a couple of videos and interesting is all I'll say! I listened to the one on South Korea and he was adamant about the warnings of war to the Koreans he was speaking to in some type of office. I'll have to investigate more though!
God bless you and you will have to let us (or me) know how it went when you get back, ok?
God bless,
Lisa
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