| Poster | Thread | davidc
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| | Re: | | King Jimmy, you write
"The Church in and of itself, is supposed to be a prophetic people."
Could you expain in what way the church is a prophetic people?
David
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|  2010/11/20 18:55 | Profile | KingJimmy
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Could you expain in what way the church is a prophetic people?
We are supposed to be a people who are so filled and animated by the Spirit of the living God, that we are truly able to declare the mind of Christ, and truly say what "thus saith" the Lord in any given circumstance in which we speak. Instead of blindly reciting gospel formulas, we are supposed to be a people when ministering, who have something life giving in our speech. It's to be a quality of speech that issues out of nothing short of the life and Spirit of God.
When we understand that Jesus Christ is still actively carrying out His prophetic ministry, and that we as part of His body are thus called to be prophetic in our very life as a witness to this world, then to understand that there is a place for the actual ministry of a prophet within the body of Christ, is not a very far leap of faith. If a Church is not prophetic, it is salt that has lost its flavor.
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| | 2010/11/20 19:24 | Profile | Lysa
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| | Re: Doctrine on Prophetic Mantle | | Quote:
HomeSkoolDad wrote:
Why would God send us prophets when He has already given us His Word (holy and complete!)... and no one reads it??
Im not trying to be a smart alec here but... dont you think that if God thought the written word was as complete as you think it is that He would NOT have added it to the list that KingJimmy has so eloquently provided in Eph 4.11-16 for you? If the words are as holy as people think they are, then why would they question them? Seriously, I'm just asking...
Im not running anyone down. If you dont want to believe in modern day prophets; I say go for it, thats between you and God. ***
***HomeSkoolDad, Im sorry, I couldnt resist making satire of your own wording!! (huge grin)
God bless you,
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| | 2010/11/20 20:07 | Profile | Lysa
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| | Re: KingJimmy | | Quote:
We are supposed to be a people who are so filled and animated by the Spirit of the living God, that we are truly able to declare the mind of Christ, and truly say what "thus saith" the Lord in any given circumstance in which we speak. Instead of blindly reciting gospel formulas, we are supposed to be a people when ministering, who have something life giving in our speech. It's to be a quality of speech that issues out of nothing short of the life and Spirit of God.
When we understand that Jesus Christ is still actively carrying out His prophetic ministry, and that we as part of His body are thus called to be prophetic in our very life as a witness to this world, then to understand that there is a place for the actual ministry of a prophet within the body of Christ, is not a very far leap of faith. If a Church is not prophetic, it is salt that has lost its flavor.
Amen brother! God bless you!
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| | 2010/11/20 20:09 | Profile | twayneb
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| | Re: Personal prophecy | | HomeSkoolDad:
Actually it is much more than late night TV antics. Prophecy is a gift of the Holy Spirit and the ministry gifting of prophet is a New Testament institution as outlined in Ephesians. I am not called to be a prophet, but I walk closely with someone who is, and I can tell you the accuracy of the personal prophecy that comes forth is very detailed. I have at times been moved by the Holy Spirit to minister to someone by the gift of prophecy, and have had very specific details revealed to me that God used to minister to the other person in a really powerful way.
Timothy was actually encouraged by Paul to use a word of personal prophecy to war a good warfare. 1Ti 1:18
(18)KJV This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;
1Ti 1:18
(18) LITV This charge I commit to you, my child Timothy, according to the prophecies going before concerning you, that you might war the good warfare by them,
1Ti 1:18
(18) MKJV This charge I commit to you, my son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before about you, in order that you might war a good warfare by them,
You are right, there are many immature people who are running after the latest "word" and who run from meeting to meeting hoping to be called out and given a personal "word" to keep them going. I was sadly amused when I attended a meeting as part of the ministry team and found everyone showing up with tape recorders hoping to get a "word". But this is not the fault of prophets or prophecy, but rather of immature Christians.
I also agree that God's word is complete and that it is the more sure word of prophecy. I was once involved in praying for a woman who commented after we prayed that she had hoped to get a word. This woman has a long history of instability and needed to sink her foundations deep in the Word of God. But the Bible being complete and being the MORE sure word of prophecy does not mean that God does not also speak directly to His people. Not a new canon by any means. Every subjective word we receive from God is to be judged by the written word. But I believe the New Testament amply bears out that God does still speak to His people through prophecy.
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| | 2010/11/20 21:33 | Profile |
| | Re: | | Unfortunately no one actually listened to what I said... and misunderstood me. Something that apparently happens often on this forum. Thats the problem with this type of communication, and with people who have pre-conceived notions. |
| | 2010/11/20 22:47 | | Lysa
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HomeSkoolDad wrote:
Unfortunately no one actually listened to what I said... and misunderstood me. Something that apparently happens often on this forum. Thats the problem with this type of communication, and with people who have pre-conceived notions.
Brother, I apologize that you think no one understood what you wrote; I thought we were allowed to disagree with each other.
But I have been guilty of what you say apparently happens often on this forum, but in my own defence, I read your post three different times because I didnt want to misunderstand you. And I came to the conclusion that you do not think that we have "prophets" today like we think of in the Bible, or like we see some claim to be in Charismatic circles; I apologize if I am wrong.
No harm was meant HSDad, God bless you!
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| | 2010/11/21 7:50 | Profile |
| | Re: | | I'm not upset or offended, don't worry about that.
Some of these subjects, to be quite honest, are too complex to be debated on a forum like this. It takes too long to articulate what one wants to say, and I find that most of the time the "arguments" that occur on this forum are nothing more that misunderstandings.
I said what I said, and it was clear. Your assessment of my words is quite correct in that we do not have prophets today like we see in the Bible. Show me one. You can not.
I did not say that the gift of prophecy is non existent today. Never said that. However, what passes for the "prophetic gifting" today is not real in most cases. I've been in churches where it was nothing more that occult style fortune telling... and a very bad rip-off at that.
Notice I did say that God does speak through His people in prophetic ways.
But alas, I do not have 24 hours a day to sit on this forum and articulate my words and try to explain them over and over so that there are never any misunderstandings, therefore I will bow out. I'm not upset, I just have a life. :-) |
| | 2010/11/21 7:57 | | twayneb
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I said what I said, and it was clear. Your assessment of my words is quite correct in that we do not have prophets today like we see in the Bible. Show me one. You can not.
I am sorry brother if I missed your point. If it is only in the Old Testament that God had people who He had called to be prophets, then we should not find mentioned in scripture any examples of New Testament prophets. If we do find New Testament prophets, and if we still live under the same covenant and time as the New Testament people, then we should have to look for a place in scripture stating that God has withdrawn the ministry gift of prophet from His body. I would mention a few scriptures and then ask a question.
Act 11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Act 15:32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
This is by no means an exhaustive list of NT scripture, but it does establish without doubt that the ministry gifting of prophet (call it an office if you will. I am convinced it is not an office, but rather a ministry or equipping gifting, unlike elder which is an office.) is firmly established as a New Testament reality. So the question is, at what point does scripture tell us that the prophet is no longer part of God's structure for the body of Christ? Biblically, at what point do you believe prophets ceased to be?
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| | 2010/11/21 21:12 | Profile | staff
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| | Re: Doctrine on Prophetic Mantle | | Thanks everyone for your help.These are some of the points.
1.Only God can transfer a mantle from one prophet to the next
2.Their are definitely new testament Prophets.
3.Their is a diference between The Spirit On in the old testament and Dwelling in in the new testament.
4.The actual mantle comes from sheep farming.
5.Jesus Christ can be considered our mantle.
I may have missed one or two important ones.
I have one question that remains,
Does the new testament prophet have a mantle and does God pass the mantle ?
oops thats two questions,staff
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