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| | Re: Principles of Divine Equilibrium in Jesus Christ - Paul West | | Hi Paul,
I think this is all a bit complicated for me,I have to say.
Maybe what you are saying would come out better in a pulpit rather than in word.
Also what happens when one christian says about another that dont listen to him hes not in equilibrum.Sometimes some christians may appear out of sync but are not.We could say to Paul the appostle for instance hey stop discussing that issue because you are obviously not seeing both sides your not in equilibrium.
I think it would be fair to say that when a christian finds their position in Christ that they become at ease with themselves and other members of their churches.
Just on this section below I thought God searches the heart to see who love him not to see whether they desire to be balanced.
(To gain this balance in God, one must first seek to be balanced. God searches the hearts of His children to see who genuinely desires to be balanced in all aspects of their spirituality, and to those honest seekers He delights in preparing them for divine equilibrium in Jesus Christ.")
I guess part of what I am saying is I am a bit uncomfortable with the language you are using to get your points across,
Yours Staff
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|  2011/4/5 18:32 | Profile | PaulWest
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| | Re: | | Hi Staff,
I'll admit this is not an easy quick and read, and truthfully, it is not a treatise written for new Christians. These ponderings admittedly weigh more on the cerebral side of Christian development and maturity than anything else, and are intended for introspective thought. The concepts are advanced, but not as advanced as, say, the theology of John Owen or some of Art Katz's more meaty writings.
Although God seeks to see who loves Him, I think you'll agree that He also seeks for other things: for example, our motives in doing what we do, giving what we give, taking what we take, the drive behind our speaking and thinking, etc. Throughout our walks with Christ, He inspects the integrity of our hearts with each season we go through. He seeks to find believers who earnestly desire to be delivered from some besetting sin and be ever-more conformed to the image of Christ. Not everyone desires this, though many profess loving Him. The balance I write of, quite plainly, is not some sort of perceptible temperance or moderation in speech or action on our part, but rather a deeply spiritual one which God instills upon those who desire to go to neither extreme and which is found in the person of Christ alone. It is the process of which the writer of Hebrews expressed as going onto perfection. It is simply God's maturation of us in Christ, in which I've been attempting to describe -- however substandardly :))
May God deeply bless you.
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| | 2011/4/5 19:43 | Profile | ManofGod0000
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| | Re: | | U know somewhat of what I have been enduring, and much of it has to do with this beautiful read that will thoroughly bless the believers that dive into its full understanding, and all of it will not come at once, as I am finding out.
But I can say that God is a God that I never dreamed of Him being in my life....
I will reply on more here as I continue to ponder |
| | 2011/4/5 20:59 | Profile | staff
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| | Re: | | Hi Paul,
Its the terminology,For instance if I started using the terms yen and yang to descrbe some correct christian doctrine.It would just cause confusion in my opinion.The principles of devine equilibruim was never mentioned by any new testement writers.Why can you not use a term like what you said earlier maturation in christ which is mentioned in part.I do see teaching on becoming mature but becoming balanced,Im not sure.I would see becoming godly as becoming more balanced.
There are plenty of christian terminology out their do we need more...perhaps,perhaps not.
In fact your message is probably for the newer christian who is not mature or for the older christian that has stood still if that is possible.In one way what you are saying is I was saved when I accepted Christ and I am being saved in the sense God is doing a work in me and I am getting closer to Christ, more like him the most balanced person to walk the earth.
I dont think we have to pray to be more balanced,we should pray to be more like him and we automatically become more balanced.
On balance what your saying may be over my head and be correct but I do think terminology has a life of its own,grows legs and tends to walk all over the place.
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| | 2011/4/6 18:24 | Profile | PaulWest
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| | Re: | | Hi Staff,
The concept of "divine equilibrium" I speak of here is not a doctrinal point at all, and was never meant to be one. It is simply an illustration of a spiritual dynamic we all face as we mature in the Lord. There are plenty of these illustrations throughout Scripture and in the writings of the Puritans and other men of God. My usage of planetary laws and orbits is purely epigrammatic in this sense. Quote:
The principles of devine equilibruim was never mentioned by any new testement writers
I realise this. But neither are the "principles of sanctification" or "principles of brokeness" per se, though these both are valid, experiential concepts Christians encounter as they progress with God and mature. I've chosen to use universal laws - laws such as planetary motion and gravity - to lend a pithy similie in explaining the spiritual truth of a believer's balance in Christ. Some will find it useful, others won't obviously.
The term "divine equilibrium" is rationalized like this: "Divine" meaning it is God Himself who does the positioning of us within Christ, and "Equilibrium" to mean a gain of proportionate balance in our understanding of truth and grace, in which fruition is not automatic, but comes gradually over time. And that's basically it. Colorful words and illustrations to explain the process by which God brings us closer and closer to christlikeness in all areas of our walks.
Brother Paul
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Instead we are told to overcome the earths pull in such a degree as to where we can uphold a balance for it is in this balance where we efficaciously radiate the light of the son.
Amen.
Let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:16)
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| | 2011/4/6 23:31 | | brothagary
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| | Re: | | exelent wisdom ,,,,thought i would bump some of paul wests writtings ,,,,,,,,
thanks paul ,,,,please pray for me brother so i might experance true death with christ |
| | 2011/11/19 19:38 | Profile | Cerve
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| | Re: Blessed by this | | I found this so edifying...I went back a few times just to reread most of it. So well written , thank you & God Bless |
| | 2024/1/9 13:26 | Profile | TrueWitness
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| | Re: | | It is hard discussing things in words where there needs to be a balance because invariably, one side or the other is either overemphasized or perceived that way and it's off to the races of debate and arguing.
-Daniel |
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