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I am not telling you what I heard someone is saying he said, but what he said out of his own mouth. I wouldn't scrutinize his message purely on hearsay. That's gossip. Everyone here is acting like they know exactly what he said and didn't say. Well, did you watch the actual event?
I am not concerned with what anyone is interpreting what Beck might have meant. There is plenty of that going around here and elsewhere.
In fact, the entire first post in this thread was based upon taking what he said and expounding on it. The intial post is, after all, a "theory" about what someone "thinks" and not simply his words. After all, it would have been a very short post if it were simply his words -- because I don't see many of his actual words to begin with.
I was merely interested in this particular quote that you attributed to Beck and where you found it:
"seek the one common god."
Of course, I am not saying that Beck did NOT say this. It just seemed contrary to what I did see him say about what he was trying to accomplish. I looked up that exact quote via Google (using quotation marks to find the exact quote) and it rendered no results whatsoever. I suppose that it could be in a video. Do you have a link to that video or audio and the time point in which it appears?
BTW, I certainly believe that religious ecumenicism is clearly WRONG. I just don't know if that was really what was going on in Washington DC. A call for Americans to consider spiritual things (even if that call comes from individuals from various religions) is not the same as "ecumenicism" -- which is a goal for people to drop their beliefs and join into a single unified religion (or group).
| 2010/9/1 17:06||Profile|
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A new twist on an old parable:
But wishing to justify himself, he said to Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"
Jesus replied and said, "A man named America was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers, and they stripped him and beat him, and went away leaving him half dead.
And by chance a Prophet-Man was going down on that road, and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. Likewise a Typical-Evangelical also, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.
But a Mormon-Named-Glenn-Beck, who was on a journey, came upon him; and when he saw him, he felt compassion, and came to him and bandaged up his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them; and he put him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn and took care of America. On the next day he took out $500 and gave it to the innkeeper and said, 'Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I return I will repay you.'
"Which of these three do you think proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell into the robbers' hands?" And he said, "The one who showed mercy toward him." Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do the same."
Just a thought...
*edited for content*
| 2010/9/1 17:13||Profile|
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I can't stand Beck's nasty speech and language.
| 2010/9/1 17:38||Profile|
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Much of what he shows people in terms of the treasury, economics, socialist ties of govt. officials, etc. is right on. BUT, what he is spending much of his time, energy, effort, "rally" on now, he himself is touting as "spiritual, not political". AS for the attempt to analogize the story of the good samaritan with allowing a false teacher from a false religion unite on false terms without warning the Body - I probably shouldn't say much, lest it come out wrong. The story of the good Samaritan was not the story of the "good false prophet/teacher". That was such a "shoe-string" argumnet, I truly hope you don't see that as an equivalent. Before I was born again, I was a bit of a debate champion, a minor in philosophy & logic, so I don't want my flesh to get in the way of love and speaking in humility. No offense at all intended, but that's not a good parallel analogy or basis for your argument at all. Why were Paul, Jesus, Peter, Jude, etc. so strong in their speach against false teaching/teachers? The story of the good samaritan didn't end with the samaritan teaching the victim false teaching and him lapping it up like water because of a kind act. It's not the story of the "good Baal worshipper" who then unites arm in arm and prays together for "god" (pick a god, any god) to save their country. I think we muddy the waters sometimes because we are so intent on proving a point. I have done it more than a time or two & pray God keeps me from it even now. To call that a "stretch" is, in all love and concern, the understatement of the day. Can anyone call a spade a spade anymore in the church in love and humility without being "an angry watchman" or a "fearful, spineless compromiser"? I am going to likely bow out now for good, but just note it in your heart/mind that something is in the works on a grand scale in the spiritual realm here, and we will see a major impact from this in the days ahead. Remember these things, pray about them, and seek the mind of THE LORD GOD of heaven and earth, His Holy Spirit, & the King of Kings on such things. My heart is clear. God Bless you all!!!
pride, but without compromise?
| 2010/9/1 18:40|
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" I think we muddy the waters sometimes because we are so intent on proving a point. I have done it more than a time or two & pray God keeps me from it even now. To call that a "stretch" is, in all love and concern, the understatement of the day."
Amen brother. Thanks for sharing Jeff........brother Frank
| 2010/9/1 19:03|
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Much of what he shows people in terms of the treasury, economics, socialist ties of govt. officials, etc. is right on. BUT, what he is spending much of his time, energy, effort, "rally" on now, he himself is touting as "spiritual, not political".
I certainly understand the alarm. However, no one including Glenn Beck (from everything that I have seen or heard) is telling anyone to listen or adhere to or align themselves with Glenn Becks particular doctrinal ideas. From all that I have seen, Glenn Beck merely told me to consider spiritual things and the ideas of righteousness (without even defining those things). This is no more spiritual in and of itself than telling someone to think about going to the hospital is a medical prognosis.
Regardless of what you think of Glenn Beck (or, like me, hardly think of him), I think that there is nothing really wrong with telling people to think about spiritual matters. I also believe that we need to be VERY CAREFUL about what we say about the man. I am no big fan of Glenn Beck. I definitely dismiss Mormonism as a false religion. However, I havent heard Glenn Beck mention (let alone teach) any of his Mormon beliefs. So, when we call him a false teacher, we might be engaging in a label that is not entirely accurate in this specific situation.
This is why I was asking about that specific quote that you initially mentioned (specifically calling for people to "seek the one common god."). If true, it is troubling in regard to Becks words. If it isnt entirely accurate, then it is troubling that someone may have inadvertently placed words in his mouth. I think that, if we are going to engage in such a discussion, we really need to stick to the facts and cite the source whenever possible.
The story of the good samaritan didn't end with the samaritan teaching the victim false teaching and him lapping it up like water because of a kind act.
I am not defending Brother KingJimmys example. However, I need to question this false teaching allegation. Did Glenn Beck stand up and begin teaching false doctrine? I didnt see that. I saw him telling people regardless of their doctrinal, denominational or religious background to consider spiritual matters. I hear good Christian pastors, missionaries and evangelists say something similar to this all of the time. While I definitely oppose the damnable tenants of Mormonism, I still dont find anything wrong with this statement in and of itself.
I think we muddy the waters sometimes because we are so intent on proving a point.
I understand what you are saying because we see the muddying of waters every day. To be clear: I strongly oppose the teaching of Mormonism from ANY pulpit. I also oppose anyone locking arms in the furtherance of Mormon teaching. In addition, I really dont listen to Glenn Beck (or most other television/radio pundits). However, I think that we should oppose any muddying of the waters when we make a point that we believe and convey only CLEAR facts and statements about a matter that dont venture into theory or interpretation.
Oddly enough, I agree with the underlying principles mentioned here by everyone. We should dissect all words that we hear regardless if it comes from Glenn Beck , the President or your local pastor. We should avoid religious ecumenicism with false religions and hold fast to our profession of faith unwavering. Yet I still think that God CAN use even unbelievers (like Glenn Beck
or a donkey) for His good pleasure. I dont think that there is anything wrong with Beck telling people to consider spiritual matters. I may not agree with other things that he says, but I think that this is a commendable message that needs to be preached by evangelists on a daily basis.
However, I am glad that you (and others) offered a warning. It is always a good reminder to sift through anything that we see or hear.
I Thessalonians 5:21
| 2010/9/1 19:33||Profile|
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An interesting can of worms: Glenn Beck advocates tithing....
I'm just saying :-)
| 2010/9/1 19:39||Profile|
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President Bush claimed to be a follower of Jesus Christ -- and I feel no more qualified to render a judgment on the validity of that claim than I feel qualified to render a judgment on any other public figure. After all, there are members here on SermonIndex who will just as quickly dismiss ministers (*like Charles Finney, etc...) based upon what they think is a fruitful examination of the "big picture." Still, I can't help but wonder if those things are exactly what we are called to do as believers -- whether we are "watchmen," "prophets" of just simple lovers of Jesus. I think that it is far more beneficial to point out the problem itself than the heart of the man.
I haven't been around SI for a while, but from this post I see you haven't changed much as far as your thinking and attitude go.
First, you may not feel qualified to pass judgment on the man, but this is [i]your[/i] problem. If you yourself don't see, please don't pass judgment on people who have seen.
The Lord Jesus taught that "by their fruit you shall know them." If the fruit is bad, consistently, then the tree is bad, surely. By playing the "Do not judge" card, you are actually judging the Lord Himself, because He commanded "judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24). If you are a "lover of Jesus", as you have claimed, you would keep His commandments. Hiding behind things like "you don't know the heart of the man" won't do, because it is [i]the fruit[/i] that you are called to judge, not the heart. These fruit, however, (in this case a man's public confession) do proceed from his heart and help the man of understanding discern who he is dealing with (whether this is Glenn Beck or George W. Bush).
I guess that this is what I feel about Glenn Beck. I certainly don't agree with the cult of Mormonism. It is a false gospel born in Hell itself. However, this doesn't mean that all Mormons are wrong in EVERY issue. ... There are some things that are just "true" -- regardless of who says it. I applaud anyone -- whether believer or unbeliever --
Here the question is not whether there isn't some truth in Mormonism or in man, but about believers in Christ being [u]yoked together with idolaters[/u] in this movement. What does light have to do with darkness? It is one thing to accept the advice of an unbeliever if it is according to the Truth, but a whole another thing to join arms with him in an ungodly agenda. There is something quite odd and disturbing in the fact that in word you claim that "Religious ecumenicism is wrong"; yet, you are unable to notice the apparent move toward ecumenicism in these men's actions.
P.S. I myself have watched some quite reasonable political arguments Mr. Beck has made on television and applauded the man on them (I didn't know that he was a Mormon). It is rare to see a clear thinking and reasonable and truth-telling individual on TV these days. What disturbed me though was that would speak like this on FOX, which is owned by a member of the church of one-world religion advocate, Rick Warren. So I asked myself, "Why would they allow him to speak this way, if this weren't consistent with their agenda?"
It is clear from what jeffmar has posted, I had sensed correctly that there was something going on. And as I see it, the goal is the leading astray of the elect (if it were possible), by alluring them with some just and reasonable anti-socialist arguments into the snare of the ecumenical agenda. Would Christians join arms with people like Glenn Beck (remember, Satan disguises himself as an angel of light) in order to get a temporary "cut on lawlessness" in America, or would they consent for nothing less than the coming Kingdom of Heaven?
| 2010/9/1 19:44|
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An interesting can of worms: Glenn Beck advocates tithing....
Wierd...Jesus doesn't advocate tithing.
I'm just saying. :)
(however, that's for another discussion)
| 2010/9/1 19:53|
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I think Glen Beck is totally being used by God. It is very evident that he is by the comments on this thread and by seeing how Christians as a whole respond to him. He is certainly being used to see if Christians have enough discernment and love the word of God enough to see through what Beck is promoting. He is being used to see if Christians will through their hat in the ring with an ecumenical uniter under some ambiguous God (or whatever Jesus you want to believe in) to work together to "reclaim" our country.
I really see it as a great diversion and materful plan (by the devil) to derail Christians from their focus on God's Kingdom and to shift their focus to one where politics is the answer. Beck may be calling this country back to God (letting you define God yourself) but the ultimate goal is to inspire people to bring about politcal change.
May the Lord bring Beck to true saving faith in Jesus Christ where he might be used as a vessel of honor to bring true glory to God.
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