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Spoken like a true rebel Lysa...
| 2010/7/30 20:09||Profile|
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This thread is pathetic honestly, Lysa isn't being a rebel any more than you're being an elitist. Lysa, move away from the thread for your own good. So many threads disintegrate into garbage on this forum it's sad.
| 2010/7/30 21:19||Profile|
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It is those who do not honor God's Word who endorse such things as quoted by this author. The emergent groups have similir statements. They try to water down God's truths so that they will be palatable for the secular world or society. They have no respect for what the Bible actually clearly teaches.
It seems clear that this author is denouncing all followers of Christ exclusively. I could understand if she denounced all denominations and institutions within Christianiy, but not all Christians within those denominations/institions. That is a clear mark of an unsaved person according to the Bible.
As long as she has claimed to be a Christian, I am sure she is familiar with the Scriptures that call Christ's follower's Christians. By her saying she is no longer a Christian she shows she is not a follower of Christ, because all followers of Christ are Christians according to the Bible.
One does not have to dig deeper into some people's works to discern if they are off or not. For example, if someone stated, "its ok to have sex outside of marriage", we wouldn't need to do further research to know they are unsaved.
| 2010/7/30 21:33||Profile|
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I was in a season once where I was fed up with the Christians who were awful. In my rejection of the awful Christians, I found no companionship with the world and it cost me alot of ground. Eventually I was shown I was one of those awful Christians! haha!
Thank the Lord that Jesus never loses any the Father gives Him.
Anne's take on things is a season much like mine was, I believe. We can love her anyway.
| 2010/7/30 21:38||Profile|
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Lotis. If being an elitist is standing for the Word of the Lord, then I guess I am an elitist, with tons of faults I may add.
Lysa. My comment toward you was uncalled for and unbecoming. I appologize. Please forgive me.
Amen maizie and osandoval
| 2010/7/30 22:28||Profile|
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I guess I did not make my point clearly in my earlier post.
I certainly wouldn't recommend reading her novels not because they are fantasy but because of what is in it. Things that God absolutely detests eg: incestuous sex, real graphic sex scenes etc. I bought one of her book in good conscience, liking horror stories etc not knowing about all this stuff and not aware that she wrote such things. I read this book and her books before I was truly saved. When I became a Christian, I threw her book away. If all fantasy books were to be avoided, then we have to think long and hard about things like Disney shows, cartoons etc where it is also all about fantasy. So I'm not totally opposed to fantasy stories.
The point I was trying to get at is don't just think she's saved by reading her own reasoning on why she breaks up with Christianity. That is not enough information. (That is why I talked about knowing more about her life etc although my choice of words on reading her books could be better put).Then if you really want to determine whether she was really saved or not, compare her life with what the bible says a true Christian should be.
| 2010/7/31 4:08||Profile|
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hi,as i was kicked out of a church in n o la 46 yrs ago and told by many christians that i was going to bust hell wideopen...grew to hate the religeous, pompous hard nosed "christians" and avoided contact with them because they ministered fear and condemnation to me...i can understand how people can separate themselves from such...fear hath torment...love has power...no condemnation means no condemnation...i do not point my unholy finger at noone else since i held a grudge against a famous preacher for a few years who got me involved in a cult ...when i confronted the man he told me he had long since repented and begged my forgiveness ... who am i that i can not love one whom Jesus has forgiven... sorry for the rant.jimp
| 2010/7/31 8:21||Profile|
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"...but who among us hasnt wrestled with how to relate with all of the crazy vocal segments of Christianity?"
Mike, I appreciated this and your post altogether.
I think we have to realise that Satan intends to make gross characatures of God and everything He does in order to turn people away and make God seem gross or revolting.
We have to watch for ourselves and each other, so that we do not get sucked into his game and start hurling spitt and throwing insults also.
Pastor Wurmbrand shared about many of the satanic mockeries that the Communist imposed upon the things of God and the people of God when they had them under their power. If he cannot do it outright through the rule of force he will do it through more subtlety.
His highest goal is to do it directly through the mouth and actions of the people of God.
He wants people to throw verbal punches at his distorted mockery of the body of Christ. We cannot allow ourselves to take shots with them.
Christopher Joel Dandrow
| 2010/8/2 18:17||Profile|
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From Fox News..
Anne Rice Quits Christianity -- 10 Thoughts On Jesus and the Church
The blogosphere has been abuzz since Anne Rice, a novelist known for writing about vampires sent a shot across the bow of the Christian Church after declaring that she was quitting Christianity.
In a posting on her Facebook page, she said, I remain committed to Christ as always but not to being Christian or being a part of Christianity. Its simply impossible for me to belong to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life. In the name of Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian. Amen.
Miss Rices words should not be quickly dismissed. She is not alone in her views and trends show that people have stepped away from established religion in increasing number. Scandals within the church and political agendas that have been placed on par with church doctrine are partially to blame.
Another factor pertains to those within the church who identify more with religion than with the true Jesus. The Pharisees were very religious but they rejected Jesus and his methods.
Ones reaction to the words of Anne Rice is a litmus test as to whether one responds in condemnation or Christian love. Miss Rice is, after all, pointing out the disparity that can be found between Jesus and his followers.
The following are 10 thoughts pertaining to Jesus and the Church:
1. Jesus saved his harshest criticism for the Pharisees who elevated rules and tradition but failed to recognize God when he stood before them.
2. Jesus modeled the proper balance of forgiveness and righteousness when he said to the woman caught in adultery, neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.
3. Jesus came from a lineage that was dysfunctional and included prostitutes. He loved and identified with those who were judged by others and through loving them redeemed them.
4. Jesus chose women to be in his inner-circle and shocked his disciples by going against the cultural mores of the day and conversing with the woman at the well.
5. Jesus called Judas friend at the very moment Judas was betraying him with a kiss exemplifying his love for the most hated man in Christianity.
6. Jesus called Peter to put away his sword and then healed the wounds that Peter caused when Peter attacked a servant of the high priest. With this one act he showed that it is better to heal and win the heart than to harm.
7. Jesus was neither a Democrat nor a Republican and clearly delineated between politics and faith when he said Render to Caesar the things that are Caesars; and to God the things that are Gods. Romans 13:1.
8. Jesus would not allow his followers to exclude Peter from being recognized as a disciple even after Peter had betrayed Jesus. He told the first witnesses of his resurrection to go tell his disciples and Peter also lest they exclude Peter because of his actions.
9. Jesus placed science and the gathering of knowledge about nature in context with Gods design and authorship. Matthew 6:28-30.
10. Jesus called the church, my church showing that it is not an idea of man but of God. Matthew 16:18.
At its core, Anne Rices statement is a challenge to the modern church to look and act more like Jesus. Her message is muddled in political tones and her conclusion is regrettable but the church would be amiss in dismissing the essence of her words.
The church has been most Christ like when modeling forgiveness rather than hostility and when elevating love over judgment. Biblical standards of morality should not be compromised but it should be remembered that if ones salvation is based on achieving righteousness outside of Gods love and forgiveness we are ALL lost.
So is quitting Christianity the answer?
Is it right to embrace Jesus but reject the church?
The scriptures state that we are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together as is the habit of some but to encourage one another. (Hebrews 10:25).
In other words, instead of running away we are to lift the dialogue. We are to emulate the leader of the church Jesus Christ.
There are believers in churches across the globe that do this with excellence. Hospitals, orphanages and schools are the results of their efforts. When they come on the scene families are healed, children adopted, prisons visited and the elderly loved. They are the true ambassadors of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I began this article by describing Anne Rices words as a shot across the bow of the church. In olden days ships would lob a cannon ball over another ship in order to elicit a response that would identify the ship in question as being hostile or friendly.
The Church's response to the Anne Rices of the world will speak volumes about the effectiveness of the Church in fulfilling its mission.
contributed by Rev. Bill Shuler is pastor of Capital Life Church in Arlington, Virginia
article can be seen at http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/08/rev-shuler-anne-rice-christianity-quit-christ-pharisees-god-love-forgiveness/
| 2010/8/8 22:36||Profile|
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"I think we have to realise that Satan intends to make gross characatures of God and everything He does in order to turn people away and make God seem gross or revolting.
We have to watch for ourselves and each other, so that we do not get sucked into his game and start hurling spitt and throwing insults also."
Your'e right Chris. I was too off-handed in my comments below.
| 2010/8/9 0:31||Profile|