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 What should the "Revivalist," be teaching?

There is a lot of teaching on revival. Many gatherings to talk about revival, so why no revival? Could it be we are searching in the wrong place ? Tozer writes.........

"The New Testament draws a sharp line between the natural mind and the mind that has been touched by divine fire. When Peter made his good confession, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God," our Lord replied, "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." And Paul expresses much the same thing when he says, "No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost."

The sum of what I am saying is that there is an illumination, divinely bestowed, without which theological truth is information and nothing more. While this illumination is never given apart from theology, it is entirely possible to have theology without the illumination. This results in what has been called "dead orthodoxy," and while there may be some who deny that it is possible to be both orthodox and dead at the same time I am afraid experience proves that it is.

Revivals, as they have appeared at various times among the churches of the past, have been essentially a quickening of the spiritual life of persons already orthodox. The revivalist, as long as he exercised his ministry as a revivalist, did not try to teach doctrine. His one object was to bring about a quickening of the churches which while orthodox in creed were devoid of spiritual life. When he went beyond this he was something else than a revivalist. Revival can come only to those who know truth. When the inner meaning of familiar doctrines suddenly flashes in upon the heart of a Christian the revival for him has already begun. It may go on to be much more than this but it can never be less.
—Best of A. W. Tozer, The

 2010/3/4 16:07
broclint
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 Re: What should the "Revivalist," be teaching?

Thought provoking:

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The sum of what I am saying is that there is an illumination, divinely bestowed, without which theological truth is information and nothing more. While this illumination is never given apart from theology, it is entirely possible to have theology without the illumination. His one object was to bring about a quickening of the churches which while orthodox in creed were devoid of spiritual life. When he went beyond this he was something else than a revivalist. Revival can come only to those who know truth. When the inner meaning of familiar doctrines suddenly flashes in upon the heart of a Christian the revival for him has already begun. It may go on to be much more than this but it can never be less.



1 Corinthians 3:5-11 (NKJV)
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. 8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor. 9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, you are God's building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

John 4:34-37 (NKJV)
34 Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work. 35 Do you not say, 'There are still four months and then comes the harvest'? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest! 36 And he who reaps receives wages, and gathers fruit for eternal life, that both he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together. 37 For in this the saying is true: 'One sows and another reaps.'

There certainly has to be both, and we have seen in the past few decades the results of seed being scattered upon rocky ground where there is no root.

That said, I believe that God can bring folk up to speed very, very rapidly who have a hunger and thirst for truth.

Even the ministry of Jesus was perfectly timed by divine wisdom to come upon the heels of “dead orthodoxy” of the Pharisees and then the fiery message of repentance by John the Baptist. Jesus exposed the deadness and impotence of their orthodoxy that was totally void of compassion, for example in Luke 14.

HE is the MUCH MORE that brings revival when the focus gets beyond studying ABOUT Him, to studying to KNOW Him personally and intimately through His Word, and as Tozer so ably says repeatedly in his writings, through revelation, in prayer, and in worship and meditation upon Him.

Clint


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 2010/3/4 17:49Profile
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 Re: What should the "Revivalist," be teaching?

There is a difference in Knowledge of God and Theology and a Revelation of God and theology, The knowledge of God and theology will puff up a man/woman with pride, A Revelation will humble a man/woman to complete and utter repentance. We need more Revelation and less head knowledge of God.


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BroClint writes........

"HE is the MUCH MORE that brings revival when the focus gets beyond studying ABOUT Him, to studying to KNOW Him personally and intimately through His Word, and as Tozer so ably says repeatedly in his writings, through revelation, in prayer, and in worship and meditation upon Him."

I thought "studying to KNOW Him," was an interesting turn of phrase :) Im not sure if one can study to know Him. I believe that the Lord responds to hunger and to thirst. "As the deer panteth for the waterbrooks, so my soul longeth after thee." He bids us "come.' He says "come unto me." He says "I stand at the door and knock." He invites us to move towards Him. Always it requires "movement," on our part. Now what is the definition of "movement,' in this context? I watched a documentry on a certain African region that has drought for nine months of the year. The cycle plays out year after year. The river dries up, only water holes remain and they turn into mudholes. All life dies at the mudhole, and a very few get up and move and find out where water is, the rest die slowly. The few that get up, have an arduous journey.

When the river of life dries up, when there is a drought in the land, will you stay at the mudhole until that too dries up and all die? Deer get into this mudhole with crocodiles, strange bedfellows in this drama. Some, a few get up and look for life.

Is it possible that we see all around us the carcass of death in our churches, in various states of dying from lack of water? Will the eyes be open in order that we can see our state? And then will we cry out with everything that is within us to God to send the rain or we will surely die. Does our hearts truly "panteth for the waterbooks?" Does our souls truly "longeth after thee." When we get to that level of desperation, will we quit all of our programs and put everything behind us untill the Lord sends the rain? Perhaps then, the Lord will see from heaven, hear our cries and heal our Church of what ails it, a lack of His manifest presence...........Frank

 2010/3/5 0:00
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 What should the Revivalist be teaching?

Christ.


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 2010/3/5 9:36Profile
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 Re: What should the Revivalist be teaching?

Repentance

 2010/3/5 10:45Profile
broclint
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Bro Frank writes:

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I thought "studying to KNOW Him," was an interesting turn of phrase :) Im not sure if one can study to know Him. I believe that the Lord responds to hunger and to thirst.




Perhaps just a poor choice of the word "study", but meant in the sense that Paul used it in instructing Timothy to "study to show thyself approved" meaning to be diligent in that case.

Perhaps these verses display the kind of study I am talking about... the pursuit, not of mere knowledge but of truly knowing in all that that word implies in scripture.

Jeremiah 24:7 (NKJV)
7 Then I will give them a heart to know Me, that I am the Lord; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God, for they shall return to Me with their whole heart.
Hosea 6:3 (NKJV)
3 Let us know, Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord. His going forth is established as the morning; He will come to us like the rain, Like the latter and former rain to the earth.
Ephesians 3:14-21 (ASV)
14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, 16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, that ye may be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man; 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; to the end that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be strong to apprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 19 and to know the love of Christ which passeth knowledge, that ye may be filled unto all the fulness of God. 20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21 unto him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus unto all generations for ever and ever. Amen.

Blessings to you my friend, and please pray for me.

Clint


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HI broclint,

I had a sense that you meant that, praise God. I particularly appreciate the Ephesians quote, one of my favorite Scripture. To think that I can know the breadth and length and height and depth of God. That this vast God that is way beyond my ability to even comprehend His vastness, who holds everything that exists together, that He contains all that there is and not the other way around, all of this and I may be filled with His fullness!

Its breath taking. And one things for sure, its not my intellect that is the recipient of His fullness, its my very Spirit. He can only be 'known,' in this way and that in itself is a mystery, a blessed one. You have my prayers brother, God bless you..........Frank

 2010/3/6 0:23





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