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Santana
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 Could Bathsheba have fought off King David?

I'm reading Proverbs 31 and I think Bathsheba wrote it. Were these the things she was not?...instructing her son King Lemuel into finding a godly woman.

Then I started thinking about how David took her and slept with her. I feel bad for what her life became and what happened to her husband but that's not my point...

When the King says "sleep with me"...is that a command or did she have an option to fight or die?


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Leonardo Santana

 2010/2/9 16:05Profile
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 Re: Could Bathsheba have fought off King David?

r christians aloud to only marry christians n what is a godly woman


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michelle

 2010/2/9 17:28Profile









 Re: Could Bathsheba have fought off King David?

Is is not reasonable to assume that Bathsheba knew she lived next door to the King? And further, when she bathed, did she not know that she could have been seen by the King? Now, none of that changes what David did, but I think it is reasonable to assume that David was tempted and fell for it...........Frank

 2010/2/9 17:58
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 Re: Could Bathsheba have fought off King David?

If the king said 'sleep with me' it was a command,woman did not have a choice, as with Esther.

There is teaching today, and we've had it many times at our church, that Esther entered a beauty contest and won the King and her queenship! what nonsense! She did not even want to be there.

Read also 1 Samuel 25;2 Samuel 3 v 13-16; 2 Samuel 13 for example.
Women were regarded as posessions by men and the woman's role was to serve and obey. With this in mind read again the account of Queen Vashti in Esther. She was a woman who refused to allow the drunken king to shame her in front of his guests and was banished as a result. Because of the Kings' sheer embarrasment at Vashti's refusal he issued a decree that all women were to give honour to their husbands, he feared an uprising from women who would follows Vashti's example. Esther 1.

Notice how God punished David not only by taking the child that was born, but also that 'a neighbour shall lie with your wives' 2 Samuel 12 v 11. This came to pass in 2 Samuel 16 v 21-22.
When Jesus came along though, as you read through the Gospels, he elevated women, treating them as individuals and with respect and not as objects to be owned.


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Ceri Elaine

 2010/2/10 5:20Profile
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Shy1
Have sent you a PM. I did a thorough bible study with our young people on the subject of marrying unbelievers and why we shouldn't. I can email you my notes.

With regards to what a Godly person is, My mam was called a godly woman by many, she had such a close relationship with the Lord that she carried His presence.
She lived her life for the Lord and was full of love and compassion for people, always putting others before herself, many turned to her for prayer and advice and the fruit of the spirit shone through.
She had read the bible through countless times and was always there with a passage of scripture for anyone in any situation.

As she was on her way to be with the Lord, fifteen of us were around her bed and a man visiting a young woman in the bay opposite came across and intoduced himself, telling us he's a Christian and a Pastor. He asked if he could share a prayer with us.
He stood at mam's head looking down at her and emotionally said "she is one Godly lady, she is one Godly lady! I can feel the presence of the Lord here" he then raised his hands and prayed and worshipped God.

A true Godly person will carry the presence of the Lord with them and affect those around them - even in death!
The fruit of the spirit will shine out and be very evident in their lives.


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Ceri Elaine

 2010/2/10 7:33Profile
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I agree with Ceri. I will go one step further and declare that David was guilty of rape. The law said that if a woman is attacked she is to cry out for help. If Bathsheba had cried out, who would have been there to render her aid? The King? you gotta be kidding! He was the offender plus the ruler who welded absolute authority!!

Also God never held her responsible or accountable for her role. The judgement God gave on this sin was against David. If you notice how Nathan challenged David concerning this sin, his words - given to him by God - were in sympathy to Bathsheba. The law stipulated that a couple caught in adultery were to be killed. Leviticus 20:10. Deuteronomy 22:22-30.

This act of God extending mercy to a man who was guilty of gross sin, punishable by death, would give definition to 'the sure mercies of David.' David deserved to be killed for this horrendous sin but God showed mercy because David admitted it (and did not justify it either, btw). Today we are the recipients of the 'sure mercies of David' when we recognize our sin and repent of it.

My understanding ....

ginnyrose


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Sandra Miller

 2010/2/10 10:16Profile
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r christians aloud to only marry christians n what is a godly woman



Yes, only Christians are allowed to marry Christians. 2 Corinthians 6:14 is usually used to support this principle.

Titus 2:3-5 gives one brief instructions what a godly woman is to be like. There are other scriptures one can check out. Proverbs 31 stands out as the all time classic of the (EDIT) description of the character of a godly woman.

Hope this helps..

ginnyrose


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 Re: Could Bathsheba have fought off King David?

The law was already present, not only in Deuteronomy but also found in the charecter of Joseph,
She should have shouted out if David was forceing himself on her, but more than Likely she was Awed by David and gave herself to him willingly.
And they both should have been stoned to death publicly.
Yet God was merciful to both of them. But there were consequences and a large price to pay not only for them but for the nation.
When presented with temptation, or seemingly forced sin, we always have a choice, the problem with most of us, "me"
is we try and save our lives instead of loose our lives for HIM.
I thanks God for his long suffering, and pray he will show me the grace to come to my senses, like the prodigal who came to his senses.


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I'm just wondering about this whole thing. How did David know her husband wasn't there? Did Bathsheba do it on purpose...being nude on the roof?

I guess if the Bible is silent on this issue then we can only wonder. In the details I mean.


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Leonardo Santana

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 Re: Could Bathsheba have fought off King David?


I heard Carter Conlon allude to this in a sermon in which he was urging us to read the Bible every day, and set out with the intention of not being distracted.

You can tell from the narrative, that Joab and therefore Uriah are at war. I think it's the first time David wasn't with them. Certainly, it's one of the first. CC says 'he was on his bed in the afternoon', instead of being mentally and physically engaged with the war.

I'm not blaming Bathsheba for anything, because when you read the words of Christ with regard to everything to do with marriage, the onus is all the men and where they are looking. They have the natural headship under God - which is exactly God's point to David after he repented... that if he had wanted another wife, he had only to ask.

Bathsheba had probably bathed in the same place every time, and this was the first time David had seen, or noticed. She wasn't young either, which slightly explains her boldness in future conversations with David.

 2010/2/11 13:37





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