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dohzman
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I see. Well maybe he'll dig just a little deeper. To some degree we all have what I would call flawed doctrine. But I am very slow to call someone a heretic, that's almost like saying racca or excluding them from grace and mercy and condeming them to an eternal hell:( ouch***


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 2009/10/26 22:43Profile
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I haven't said anything about these teachers. I've just addressed this doctrine.

 2009/10/26 23:00Profile









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I love "Lordship Salvation" because it is biblical! Hebrews 5:9

And therefore I love those men who preach Lordship Salvation!

"There is no Saviorhood without Lordship" A. W. Tozer

You either believe in Lordship Salvation or you believe in Antinomianism. If you believe in repentance, you believe in Lordship Salvation. If you believe in easy believism, being saved without forsaking your sins, you believe in antinomianism

 2009/10/26 23:52
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I believe in Lordship salvation, but not in the sense of which you are speaking.

I believe that once you repent of unbelief and put your faith in Christ and receive a new nature that you will then be enslaved to love and righteous and have Christ as your Lord for you were bought with a price.

Jesus cannot be your Lord until He buys you and He cannot buy you until you come to Him therefore one must come to Christ before turning from sin.

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Jesus cannot be your Lord until He buys you and He cannot buy you until you come to Him therefore one must come to Christ before turning from sin.

I know what you're trying to say, but I think the 'problem' lies in the merging of time and eternity in the experience of the individual who is coming / comes to Christ.

Christ already purchased our salvation at the cross, and even if we know about the sin He reveals to our understand before we take the step of faith to ask His forgiveness, repent and believe, we will find, after we have believed, that with His Light 'in' our lives, we become more aware than ever of our sinfulness - which leads to more repentance, sometimes at a much deeper level than that of which we were capable [i]before[/i] we were believing.

Eternity is always now, but, our linear, time-bound lives are brought to our understanding by a steady sequence of 'now', called 'today' (which is the day of salvation), and 1 John 1:7, 8, 9, then begin to make sense.

 2009/10/27 1:02









 Re: Ray Comfort and John MacArthur false teachers!

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truther wrote:
Ray Comfort and John MacArthur are both heretics who teach damnable heresy concerning salvation! If you always believed that you must “make a life commitment to Christ” and “to stop sinning” to come to Christ, you have believed a works gospel in disguise!



Don't you think that if you had the Spirit of Christ that you would do more than just drop a bomb and run away. If you were a Christian, wouldn't you join this site in hopes of gaining fellowship and sharing your views with those who love our Lord.

Whether there is 'truth'(er) in your claims, your approach has much to doubt.

Speak up, lend a hand, share your walk, and communicate with the thousands here from hundreds of different countries.

Who are you?

But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Matthew 25:12

 2009/10/27 1:07
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Jesus said if you would be....let him/her pick thier cross and follow.... Repentance in a nut shell. A life of self denial. John the baptist gave us some clues when addressing the practical application of repentence and Zachaeus (sp?) gave us an example when he addressed Jesus as Lord and salvation visited his home. "If I have...I will restore 4times". Let him that stole steal no more but work with his hands so that he may have something to give...One can not follow Jesus...one can not even come to Jesus unless they to some degree have turned from the "self" life to seek Him out. How be it that may be very shallow at first but it becomes more dramatic over time and the changes more evident. Eventually there are several crossings people must make to keep following Jesus or they become like thoughs who only follow for the loaves and fishes, or those who who heard the hard sayings of you must eat my body and drink my blood....those folks turned back, I'm sure many repented after the ressurection and penecost and returned to the Lord though, He is so patient and gracious with us!
Back to the original post....I think that you may want to examine who they were speaking to.


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Oh brother... I hope the mods delete this thread.

When you call a man a "false teacher" you have to be very careful. I have done it, but I have also written at length and conversed with people here about why I believe it to be true. I didn't just post a bomb with a link to some other website and then run away like a little kid on the playground...

If you can't argue your point... dont waste everyone's time with links.

When you label a man a false teacher you are saying that they teach doctrines of demons. Suppose it is YOU who are wrong? Suppose in reality you are attributing the things of God to Satan? That is called blasphemey.

Yes, I love John MacArthur. Do I agree with everything he teaches? No. There are other teachers I disagree with quite a bit, but I am not about to call them a false teacher because quite frankly... it could be ME that is wrong!

Again, I have labeled some to be false teachers such as Benny Hinn. The most base heathen can tell that Hinn is a false teacher. That's not rocket surgery.

The main reason most people who label MacArthur a false teacher don't like him is because he is not afraid to call people out. He has taken a strong stand against the Catholic Church and against many Charismatic leaders... as any man of God should.

He ruffles feathers. So what have people done? Taken his teachings, twisted them and taking things out of context, then pasted it all back together again... and attributed it to MacArthur... and then labeled him a heretic.

And then people who haven't learned to think for themselves come across some kook website, swallow everything they have to say without actually checking into it for themselves... and then they come to a forum like this and make [b]foolish[/b] declarations.

And then when someone like me calls them on it... the next thing that will happen is they will post a long post about all their Christian education, ministries they are involved in, and on and on...

Seen it over and over and over on here.

It's just like the Pharisees. They were not concerned about the truth. They were more concerned about proving Jesus wrong than they were about making themselves right.

And thats a dangerous place to be.

Krispy

PS: If you've never eaten bear roast, dont tell me how bad you think it is. AND if you haven't actually read MacArthur's book "The Gospel According To Jesus" then please don't come here and declare his teaching on Lordship salvation to be false.

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 Re: Bear Roast is awful....BBQ bear a little better.....with a ton of sauce.



Krispy: I am in agreement with the tenor and the strike of your comment. We can better understand why there are thousands of splinters and denominations in the world today. There are people who have been labeled heretics for not buttoning their top button, uttering a wrong syllable at Baptisms, and whether or not they chew the wafer representing the body of Christ, or just swallow it.


There are aberrations, or fringe groups, that demand dietary standards and law keeping, to attain unto salvation, that I believe are harmful and unscriptural, but I cannot classify as heretics, because they hold to the blood, the resurrection of Jesus, and being born again.


I think of backslidden Sardis, who even the Lord Jesus Himself declared to be DEAD!.....
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1. And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

2. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

3. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

4. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

5. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
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There were even a few names in Backslidden Sardis, among the dead, that were honored by the Lord. I wonder how many folks had written them all off? The church is in HEAVEN, and seen sprinkled as salt all over, even in many so called heretical churches.


I have seen MacArthur nail it before, with godly discernment and clarity. I do not agree with some of his teaching, but I chew the meat, and spit out the bones that I see. The same about Comfort; but he is not a son of the devil, or deceived because I don't agree with his methodology or theology.


The blogger who opinionated this tempest; [ if it only be in a teacup...] is 23 years old. No offense to youth, but his thinking along with his logic is juvenile, and he is building a tower that he will certainly be unable to live in. All of youth must experience this, and fall out of the window a few times, before they decide to forsake their high home for more safe Earth dwellings. I'm simply saying, that sometimes we have to fall, before we realize we're not really "ALL OF THAT!"


He'll be OK, but maybe he will realize it would be wise to wait until you are at least 28 before you become a discernment ministry. [ tongue embedded in cheek ]


Furthermore, Krispy, Bear meat was never created for man to consume...it is just too awful. YUK!...A mass of blood in muscle tasting like deteriorating geese meat, with a touch of Limburger.....unless thoroughly barbecued....and then you have to think of the pig.



 2009/10/27 9:26
Lorijean
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Amen, Krispy. Praise the LORD.


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