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 Obama to Sign away US Sovereignty

[url=]Copenhagen Treaty to be signed this December[/url]

Read it for yourself.

Obama will sign away our sovereignty as a nation at the upcoming United Nations Climate Conference.


 2009/10/26 15:17Profile

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 Re: Obama to Sign away US Sovereignty


IWantAnguish wrote:
[url=]Copenhagen Treaty to be signed this December[/url]

Read it for yourself.

Obama will sign away our sovereignty as a nation at the upcoming United Nations Climate Conference.

Really? Aren't you exaggerating? In what part of the document does it state that US sovereignty will be given up? Please clarify...

 2009/10/26 15:45Profile

 Re: are you refusing to. believe the truth ?

 2009/10/27 0:27

 Re: are you refusing to. believe the truth ?

 2009/10/27 0:28

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 Re: are you refusing to. believe the truth ?

The only truth I know and recognize is God's Word. The only fear I entertain is the fear of God. I find fear-mongering distasteful.

[i]Isa 8:13 The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread...[/i]

 2009/10/27 1:22Profile

 Re: Obama to Sign away US Sovereignty

[url=]"A Shattered Republican Party"-------"Republican Gomorrah[/url]

excerpt from "Republican Gomorrah"

"Home run! Home run! Home run! Home run!"

A phalanx of young men in red baseball caps and polo shirts ran up and down the aisles of St. Paul, Minnesota's Excel Center pumping their fists and chanting boisterously.

"Home run! Home run! Home run!"

The chant quickly spread throughout the crowd.

Suddenly, the floor of the 2008 Republican National Convention is in rapture, having just heard vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin taunt Barack Obama as an unqualified elitist, assail the liberal media, and bill herself as "an average hockey mom." The man at the top of the ticket, John McCain, would speak the following night, but Palin, a charismatic culture warrior, was the spark that ignited the party base.

When the chant finally died down, three country music stars stepped to the stage to perform a patriotic musical mash-up. John Rich and Gretchen Wilson stared deeply into one another's eyes, singing the national anthem, while Cowboy Troy, an African American singer known as the "king of hick-hop," stood off to the side, reciting lines from the pledge of allegiance. Gales of spontaneous cheers rose from the crowd when Cowboy Troy proclaimed, "One nation under God." From my position to the immediate left of the stage, standing next to the Pennsylvania delegation, Cowboy Troy was the only African American I could see among a sea of gray hair and white faces. After the pledge of allegiance, as Rich broke into "Raisin' McCain," a honky-tonk campaign anthem that extols McCain "goin' down in Vietnam town," a handsome middle-aged black man in a suit brushed by me, heading rapidly toward the arena exit. He was Lynn Swann, the Hall of Fame National Football League wide receiver and failed Republican gubernatorial candidate in Pennsylvania in 2006.

"Mr. Swann, where are the rest of the black people?" I asked him.

He paused, shrugged his shoulders, and kept walking. Then, before disappearing into the crowd, he turned and blurted out, "We need to do more."

Earlier that day, I milled around the convention floor and walked the arena hallways, chatting with party leaders and delegates. "These are the real people," Louisiana GOP chairman Roger Villere told me, echoing an emerging theme of the McCainPalin campaign. "This is real America." When I asked Villere the whereabouts of his state's junior senator, David Vitter, he said he did not know. And when I asked about Vitter's confession to hiring several high-priced prostitutes, Villere shot back, "David is a moral man, a great senator, and we support him totally." Vitter, still a religious right favorite, was planning to run for reelection in 2010.

Near the press box, I ran into Ralph Reed, a Christian right operative once hailed by Time magazine as "God's Right Hand." Reed had harbored presidential ambitions, but his campaign for Georgia lieutenant governor ended in humiliating defeat when his role was disclosed in lobbyist Jack Abramoff's scheme to trick evangelical leaders into pressuring the Bush administration's Department of Interior to shut down Indian casinos that Abramoff's clients considered business competitors. I asked Reed whether he still had a political future. "What do you mean? I never left politics!" he chirped, beaming at me with a pearly smile. Reed and Abramoff's former friend and ally, exHouse Majority Leader Tom DeLay, hosted a private party that evening for Republican bigwigs. DeLay, who stood accused by the Texas attorney general of money laundering, had charged McCain with "betraying" the conservative movement. (One of the DeLay party's high profile attendees, Representative John Mica, head-butted an ABC cameraman when a reporter asked him if he was happy to see his disgraced friend.)

Then I made my way to the far corner of the convention floor to mingle with the Idaho delegation. I asked delegates where the state's outgoing senior senator, Larry Craig, was. Craig, rated the third most conservative senator in Congress, had barely eluded criminal charges after soliciting sex with an undercover cop in an airport bathroom stall. "We'd rather not go back and revisit all that," Governor Jim Risch, running to replace Craig, told me. "I'm really here to talk about our party's plan for keeping the tax rate low."

From the Idaho delegation, I pushed through a gaggle of reporters and cameramen surrounding the Alaska delegation to meet some of Palin's constituents. When I approached a young man, the only delegate from the state who appeared to be under the age of fifty, he snapped, "You're not going to ask about Bristol, are you?" referring to Palin's pregnant sixteen-year-old daughter, who sat nearby with her fiance, eighteen-year-old self-proclaimed "fuckin' redneck" Levi Johnston. I asked about Palin's support for laws banning abortion even in cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger. "There's no reason to kill a baby, whether you consider him unborn or born," the delegate replied. Another delegate, a middle-aged woman, explained to me how her husband took their two daughters on "dates" to "talk about keeping themselves pure until marriage." (Two days later, the same woman, dressed in a construction worker's outfit like one of the Village People, bellowed on the convention floor in favor of offshore drilling: "Drill, baby, drill!")

This was a portrait of the Republican Party fully in the grip of its right wing: almost exclusively white, overwhelmingly evangelical, fixated on abortion, homosexuality, and abstinence education; resentful and angry; and unable to discuss how and why it had become this way. Noticeably absent from the convention were moderate Republicans. Senator Lincoln Chafee, legatee of the moderate Republican tradition in Rhode Island, was defeated in the 2006 midterms, and he was endorsing Obama. The last Republican House member from New England, Representative Chris Shays of Connecticut, would lose his seat in two months. None of the great Republican families of the past, from the Rockefellers to the Eisenhowers, were there either. Both of Ronald Reagan's natural children, Ron and Patti, endorsed Obama. President Dwight Eisenhower's granddaughter, Susan, addressed the Democratic National Convention in Denver just moments before Barack Obama appeared to accept his party's nomination. How did a party once known for its "big tent" philosophy become a one-ring circus? How did a Republican Party that had dominated American politics for over twenty-five years become so marginalized?

During the 1952 presidential campaign, the Republican nominee and former Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe Dwight D. Eisenhower silently observed the attacks on the patriotism of a man he knew was a great American, General George C. Marshall, then serving as secretary of state. His assailant was Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin, as opportunistic and sloppy as he was vicious. Eisenhower seethed while McCarthy smeared Marshall as "a man steeped in falsehood," who supposedly harbored at least fifty-seven active Communists within the State Department. Eisenhower loathed everything about McCarthy, regarding him as a dangerous and petty demagogue, but he shrank from attacking him or defending Marshall, fearing that McCarthy's influence among the Republican Party rightwing base might upset his campaign.

Only later, when McCarthy initiated a witch hunt of a phantom Communist Fifth Column within the top command of the U.S. Army in 1954, did Eisenhower strike back. He did so by sleight of hand. "I will not get into the gutter with this guy," he told aides. He instructed his staff to leak damaging information about the senator's ethical breaches and invoked executive privilege to stifle McCarthy's request for notes on the president's meetings with army officers. McCarthy's show trial quickly degenerated into a farce, leading to his rebuke by the army's attorney Joseph Welch ("Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?") and censure by the Senate for "vulgar and insulting" conduct. Eisenhower had guarded his party against the far right, defended its essentially moderate temper, and ensured the preservation of its national appeal.

By the time McCarthy drank himself to death in 1957, what the historian Richard Hofstadter had called "the paranoid style of politics" had spread into new and growing grassroots conservative groups that sought influence within the Republican Party. These groups cohered into the movement that enabled Barry Goldwater to seize the presidential nomination in 1964, would gain genuine power with the administration of President Ronald Reagan, and would reach their apotheosis under President George W. Bush.

Eisenhower observed the early development of the modern American right with anxiety. His experience in Europe had taught him that the rise of extreme movements could be explained only by the psychological yearnings and social needs of their supporters. He understood that these movements were not unique to any place or time. Authoritarianism could take root anywhere, even in America. Eisenhower did not believe that an American exceptionalism immunized the country against the spores of extremism.

Eisenhower, famous as a golfer and reader of Zane Grey western novels, was criticized for lacking an intellectual framework or even an interest in ideas. But throughout his presidency, Eisenhower clung to a short book that informed his view of the danger of extremist movements. He referred to this book in the first televised presidential press conference ever, distributed it to his friends and top aides, and cited its wisdom to a terminally ill World War II veteran, Robert Biggs, who had written him a letter saying he "felt from your recent speeches the feeling of hedging and a little uncertainty. We wait for someone to speak for us and back him completely if the statement is made in truth." Eisenhower could have tossed Biggs's missive in the heap of unread letters his secretary discarded each day, or he could have allowed a perfunctory and canned response, but he was eager for an opportunity to expound on his vision of the open society. "I doubt that citizens like yourself could ever, under our democratic system, be provided with the universal degree of certainty, the confidence in their understanding of our problems, and the clear guidance from higher authority that you believe needed," Eisenhower wrote Biggs on February 10, 1959. "Such unity is not only logical but indeed indispensable in a successful military organization, but in a democracy debate is the breath of life." The president then opined that free societies do not necessarily perpetuate freedom; many citizens would be far more comfortable under a structure that provides rigid order and certainty about all aspects of life. "The mental stress and burden which this form of government imposes has been particularly well recognized in a little book about which I have spoken on several occasions," Eisenhower wrote. "It is 'The True Believer,' by Eric Hoffer; you might find it of interest. In it, he points out that dictatorial systems make one contribution to their people which leads them to tend to support such systemsfreedom from the necessity of informing themselves and making up their own minds concerning these tremendous complex and difficult questions."

Eisenhower's tone was one of humility and responsibility. He blamed himself for "purely an error of an expression" if his purposes were misunderstood. And he pointed out that fears of national security during the Cold War were distorted and exploited for political advantage. "It is difficult indeed to maintain a reasoned and accurately informed understanding of our defense situation on the part of our citizenry when many prominent officials, possessing no standing or expertness except as they themselves claim it, attempt to further their own ideas or interests by resorting to statements more distinguished by stridency than by accuracy." Eisenhower closed his letter praising the dying man for his "fortitude in pondering these problems despite your deep personal adversity." He made no reference to God.

Hoffer seemed the most unlikely of figures to influence the president. A self-educated itinerant worker, Hoffer toiled on San Francisco's Embarcadero, earning the nickname "the stevedore-philosopher" for the voracious reading and writing he did away from the job. On the docks, Hoffer encountered droves of tramps drifting in search of work.

When the Great Depression set in, some of the most bedraggled misfits he knew morphed suddenly into loyal foot soldiers for strikes led by militant longshoreman union leader Harry Bridges and his allies in the Communist Party. At the same time, when Hoffer looked across the ocean to Germany, he saw a revolution led by failed artists and frustrated intellectuals stirring the rabble with dreams of a transcendent dictatorial order.

Hoffer's experiences at this historical fulcrum provided the basis for his seminal work The True Believer, published in 1951. "A rising mass movement attracts and holds a following not by its doctrine and promises," he wrote, "but by the refuge it offers from the anxieties, barrenness and meaninglessness of an individual existence." The true believer was at his core an ineffectual man with no capacity for self-fulfillment. Only the drama provided by a mass movement gave him purpose. "Faith in a holy cause," Hoffer wrote, "is to a considerable extent a substitute for the lost faith in ourselves."

Hoffer's analysis of the political fanatic earned him national cult status, gaining the approval not only of Eisenhower but also of serious intellectuals such as the British philosopher Bertrand Russell. Hoffer's analysis, however, was limited for the same reason it resonated so widely. By positioning himself as a non-ideological voice of the American everyman, the ultimate individual standing alone against a rising tide of extremism, Hoffer conflated the underlying motives of all mass movements together. According to Hoffer, fascists, Communists, black nationalists, fanatical "Mohammadens," and Southern racists equally shared an extreme sensibility, and therefore he insisted, "All mass movements are interchangeable." But were they really?

Ten years before Hoffer published his book, a social psychologist and psychoanalyst named Erich Fromm identified and analyzed the character structure of people "eager to surrender their freedom," who sought personal transcendence through authoritarian causes and figureheads. Unlike Hoffer, whose theories were inspired exclusively by his rollicking American adventures and didactic but distant perspective on world affairs, Fromm was able to draw on the psychological atmosphere of Nazi Germany, where millions of ordinary Germans "instead of wanting freedom . . . sought for ways of escape from it." Although Fromm reached many of the same conclusions as Hoffer about the nature of fanaticism, he limited his analysis to the behavior of those who adhered to right-wing authoritarian movements, which he pinpointed as hothouses of individual dysfunction.

Born in 1900 in Germany, Fromm descended from a long line of rabbis. After studying to be a rabbi himself, he switched to the law, sociology, and the new field of psychoanalysis. He joined the famed Frankfurt School for Social Research but fled the country after Hitler's assumption of power, eventually making his way to New York. In 1941, Fromm published Escape from Freedom, a book illuminating the danger of rising authoritarian movements with penetrating psychoanalytical insight.

Writing after the Nazis had overrun Europe but before the entrance of the United States into World War II, Fromm warned, "there is no greater mistake and no graver danger than not to see that in our own society we are faced with the same phenomenon that is fertile soil for the rise of Fascism anywhere: the insignificance and powerlessness of the individual." Those who could not endure the vertiginous new social, political, and personal freedoms of the modern age, those who craved "security and a feeling of belonging and of being rooted somewhere" might be susceptible to the siren song of fascism. For the fascist, the struggle for a utopian future was more than politics and even warit was an effort to attain salvation through selfmedication.

When radical extremists sought to cleanse society of sin and evil, what they really desired was the cleansing of their souls. Fromm's understanding of the psychological character of authoritarianism was not only penetrating but also prophetic. He described how submission to the authority of a higher power to escape the complexities of personal freedom would lead not to order and harmony but ultimately to destructiveness. Movements that evangelized among the crisis-stricken and desperate, promising redemption through a holy crusade, ultimately assumed the dysfunctional characteristics of their followers. After sowing destruction all around it, Fromm predicted that such a movement would turn on itself. Dramatic self-immolation was the inevitable fate of movements composed of conflicted individuals who sought above all the destruction of their blemished selves.

"The function of an authoritarian ideology and practice can be compared to the function of neurotic symptoms," Fromm wrote.

"Such symptoms result from unbearable psychological conditions and at the same time offer a solution that makes life possible. Yet they are not a solution that leads to happiness or growth of personality. They leave unchanged the conditions that necessitate the neurotic solution."

From the book Republican Gomorrah: Inside the Movement That Shattered the Party by Max Blumenthal. Excerpted by arrangement with Nation Books (, a member of the Perseus Books Group. Copyright 2009.

 2009/10/27 7:27

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authoritarian ideology

Although I consider Max Blumenthal to be another Glenn Beck, I do think his popularity demonstrates that we are entering into a season of global ideological struggle much like what was occurring in the early part of the last century.

This article, this book chapter, is just a volley in that chaotic ideological contest, where a struggle between Christ-substituting belief systems such as communism, fascism, religious fanaticism, militant atheism, continues to grow hotter. At first people are dehumanized and cruelly lampooned in artful propaganda, but eventually writings like this will engender so much impotent rage that violence will erupt.

How can there be justice if what we struggle for, the ideological system we identify ourselves with, is just part of a contest of clamoring unrepentant wills?

According to Hoffer, fascists, Communists, black nationalists, fanatical "Mohammadens," and Southern racists equally shared an extreme sensibility, and therefore he insisted, "All mass movements are interchangeable." But were they really?

Yes, Max, they are.


Mike Compton

 2009/10/27 10:28Profile

 Re: Obama to Sign away US Sovereignty

Wow!I just read the treaty, and I'll give you my take. This being a REVIVAL SITE, and not a POLITICAL ONE, I will also attach this to it's obvious end times implications.

"This is;" , to quote the infamous bank and train robber, Jesse James; "A STICK UP"! It is the transfer of wealth and power, from the Global "haves", to the "have nots", and is the most blatant ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER I can imagine. We will be obligated, under large penalties, to pay vast sums of money to the UN to implement the reconstruction of the 3rd world. Our financial obligations alone, [ without penalties] begin at 160 BILLION, and quickly jump to 640 billion, A YEAR, and then increase as the ruling body sees fit. This is a legal and binding contract, like a loan, with FOREIGN POWER DICTATING AND INVESTIGATING our compliance, with the threat of Global FORCE, if we renege.

The whole sales pitch, is that all of the suffering of the very poor, the deforestation of the world, and then GLIOBAL WARMING! was caused by the callous wealth grubbing of certain privileged nations, and now its time to fess up, and pay back! Make Restitution for all of those nasty carbons that destroyed the Ozone, and gasses emitted in our lust for greedy gain, that killed all of those poor Africans; by causing floods, deserts, and extra heat because we kill the forests and plague the earth from "carbon emissions". Cars, Planes, ships , factories, and those EVIL capitalists that just or greedy bastards that don't care.

Here is some of it: It is an;

"International Covenant"
on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the International Covenant on Civil
and Political Rights and other relevant conventions and treaties ;...TO:
b ) Prioritize the adaptation needs of, and ensure that resources reach, the
most vulnerable including marginalised groups, women and children, indigenous
peoples, local communities and those disproportionately impacted, as
well as vulnerable ecosystems, through the inclusion at every stage of planning
and implementing adaptation activities as appropriate, including in the

governance and disbursement of adaptation finance, planning, implementation,
monitoring and reporting ;h ) Ensure adaptation actions deliver no-regret and multiple-benefit measures

"avoid mal-adaptation and conflict,"

Maladaptation means countries who may protest the takeover, and "conflict" means resistance.....armed or otherwise. That means any Americans who don't like it; is out of your hands.

concrete adaptation projects and programmes and including ....!!!compensation
and restitution....!!!!

There is the holdup. you are guilty, for you prosperity killed all of those displaced and killed by "Global Warming".

.....for extreme adaptation such as relocation or restitution, where
other forms of adaptation are no longer considered available ;26. All Parties, under the coordination of the UN, shall work together to develop
an appropriate mechanism as soon as possible.

At least double financing for mitigation and adaptation related research,
development and demonstration by 2012, increasing it to at least

four times......soon to be a trillion a year from the US....enforceable through trade taxes...

current level by 2020.In order to provide credibility for the carbon market and ensure that it maintains
high quality standards, a new Carbon Market Regulatory Authority should be established.

"This Authority should have full oversight of preparations for Parties to participate
in the carbon market, whether on the national, sectoral or project level."

We decide and will govern your "carbon market." tax and control you , wherever you live, nationally or otherwise.

The Authority
should be made up of carbon market experts, not government representatives and have
a fair amount of independence to operate.

The Authority should also be empowered
with a strong capacity building function to assist countries in developing the institutional
and technical capacity and the know-how to participate in the carbon market if they
so choose. Provisions to this effect should be included in the Protocol.

XXXXXX... Entry Into Force
The Copenhagen Protocol and Kyoto Protocol as amended should be viewed as a
package encompassing the international community’s response to avoiding dangerous
climate change. Countries should ratify the amendment of the Kyoto Protocol and the
Copenhagen Protocol simultaneously ( with the exception of the United States ).

into force provisions should ensure that there is no gaming of the system and encourage
rapid entry into force of the Protocol.7. All peoples, cultures and nations have the right to survive and the right to develop
sustainably. The responsibility for adequately dealing with, and adapting to, the adverse
consequences of climate change, including for the protection of cultures, especially
those of Arctic peoples, and nations, especially the Small Island Development States,
whose existence is threatened, must be fairly shared according to agreed principles.
Developed countries and other countries with the capacity to do so shall support the
building of adaptive capacity and climate resilience in developing countries, particularly
the most vulnerable.

8. Life on earth is an intricately interconnected web helping to maintain the conditions...[Mother Earth is our protector!]
for its own survival.

" Financial penalties shall be applied for non-compliance"...[ They will fine America, on American soil, legally!"]

...........with quantified
emission reduction commitments or support obligations. All financial penalties
shall be paid to the Copenhagen Climate Facility and shall be allocated to the adaptation
funding window.

Wow!. If an American President signs a TREATY, it is binding. Yes, it can be revoked by another administration, but it would certainly give legal reason for the rest of the world to enforce this by FORCE.

It has been said that Communism; Radical Marxist socialism embedded itself into the environmental movement after the fall of the Soviet empire. Now, I truly believe it.

The Red horse is riding high.

 2009/10/27 10:43

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North Central Florida



You voiced the theme of that piece in a nutshell.

eventually writings like this will engender so much impotent rage that violence will erupt.

The feelings instilled in me from my youth are strong and it takes a conscious effort to avoid a defensive posture whenever the right buttons are pushed.

I am beginning to realize the outcome of the battle is already decided, my participation is not needed. The only thing I want to do is care for my husband and praise God through my Lord Jesus. I can do nothing to change the outcome but I can brighten the corner where I have been placed.

Thank you, Compton, for your sound words. It helped me, more than you can know.

white stone


 2009/10/27 11:09Profile

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North Central Florida



You and I see 'eye to eye' on this.

Look up,'
white stone


 2009/10/27 11:24Profile

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