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ginnyrose
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 Sick music

I am so upset, so upset I am almost nauseous. You see, I just read the news item on CCN about the rapper who killed a family. The murder scene is so bad the authorities are refusing to describe it.

Here is the link - if the mods decide to remove it, that is OK:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/06/virginia.horrorcore.killings/index.html


While this is beyond horrible, I have to step back a bit and wonder how can a body get to the point where one can even appreciate this kind of music? What are the processes involved that will harden a person so he/she can even like it?

If you will read this news item you will find the father of the 16 YO girl was a Presbyterian pastor....

Oh my, I can hardly think straight..

Brothers and sisters, is the music we allow in our homes the kind that will get us used to the dark? It does not happen suddenly, just by small degrees...the devil does not care if it will take years to get God's children used to the dark, just he he gets it accomplish. He also knows there are children forthcoming who will take this darkness to a level the parents never envisioned.

Have you ever noticed how so many of the cases of DVD's and CDs use black? This should be a tip-off to sincere Believers....Brothers and sisters, when I worked at the Crises Pregnancy Center, we saw the darkness in the eyes of our clients. It was a 'black' look. Now why would we want the devils people to entertain us?

I am so sick, if not physically, I feel so ill - somewhere....

ginnyrose


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Sandra Miller

 2009/10/6 15:59Profile
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 Re: Sick music

What should have us all on our faces before God is that we are introducing some of our youth to this at the church. It all starts with that first drum beat . . .

At the church that I attend, the babies start grabbing their ears and crying whenever the drums kick in. But their slightly older siblings are bouncing along with the drum beat and beating their hands on the back of the chairs even though just a few years earlier they were also crying at the sound.

Just like smoking, which starts with just one puff (which is a HORRIBLE experience), soon one becomes accustomed to it, and then shortly thereafter, one actually requires it. As time passes one requires more and more to be satisfied, but as with all things of Satan, one is never satisfied and the whole person becomes consumed with attaining the very thing that is killing them.

 2009/10/6 16:22Profile
IWantAnguish
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 Re: Sick music

I forget what the exact saying is... but something like, "when the boys get bored, that's when they torture the cat."

Boredom is a recent phenomena. The world is entertaining itself to death. Stimulating the baser instincts, until they become numb, and then needing to move on to more and more extremes to keep the instincts stimulated.

People have become addicted to pornography and violence because it keeps them entertained.

As our brother Keith Daniel has said, if you sow perversion, you reap PERVERTS.


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Sba

 2009/10/6 16:35Profile
hmmhmm
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In the worship of molock where they offered their children as the ultimate sacrifice, there where done accompanied by heavy drums, probably to drench out the childrens horrible cries from the fire, and also to i am convinced to do something to the parents, it is obvious music has an effect on us, now different music has different effects i am sure, but my suspicion is much of what is popular in the world is bad in many senses, speaking as one who has attended the worst kind of music and concerts available from my unsaved days. Music does things to people, get us into a certain type of mood, certain type of ecstasy if you will, where your normal limitations get erased, and if played loudly and in a group it can have unbelievable effects.

Now i do not think hearing one rap song or rock song will drive someone to murder, but i believe people that have serious issues already combined with drugs alcohol music can be a "trigger" the drop that pushes people over the edge.

I know many would say you can not find in scripture that we cant listen to rock or rap etc, well there is much we do not find in scripture, but we still hold to that. we need to see what spirit is behind it, our flesh may love it and be aroused by certain music styles, but that we would be a peculiar people, separated from the worlds standard of entertainment and enjoyment, in all things including music.

God give us discernment


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 2009/10/6 16:49Profile
roaringlamb
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I understand what you all are getting at, but the music is not what caused this to happen. Jesus Himself said that murder comes from the heart, and it is not that which is outside the body that defiles a man, but what is inside.

It is not the drum beats, it is the fact that people are completely void of any goodness and the fact that this doesn't happen more often shows that God in some way is restraining evil.

Let's not make music(not lyrics mind you), which is neutral, into the cause. Murder was in this young man's heart, and he went through with it.

The Pharisees were the most "religious" people of Jesus' time, and yet they had wicked hearts and committed murder, and murders have happened long before this music was around.


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patrick heaviside

 2009/10/6 17:11Profile
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Isaiah 14:11,12,13,14

Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

 2009/10/6 18:50Profile
ginnyrose
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music(not lyrics mind you), which is neutral, into the cause. Murder was in this young man's heart, and he went through with it.



I think there will be people who will vehemently disagree with this opinion: that music is neutral. Please read HeartSong's post again.

Sound is not neutral, regardless what it is called. Ever hear anyone scratch the blackboard with their fingernails? or, let the PM system do a screech?

True, the fellow did have murder in his heart but the enemy will use whatever to dull and destroy the native tenderness that resides in the heart. This is what Christian was referring to. I doubt this boy was born with such an intense hatred.

ginnyrose


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Sandra Miller

 2009/10/6 18:51Profile
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...the enemy will use whatever to dull and destroy the native tenderness that resides in the heart.



What do you mean by 'native tenderness'?

Thanks in advance :-)


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TJ

 2009/10/6 19:06Profile
roaringlamb
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that music is neutral



That's why I put the lyric comment too.

I honestly don't see it. It's like saying that because I have a gun, I will be a killer.

Guns are neutral, as is the internet. They can be used for good or evil and that will be determined by what is in the heart.

I really don't want to argue(not saying you are).

I know the arguments, I used to believe them all too. But art(music, paintings, etc.) is neutral in and of itself. We are created to enjoy beauty, and of course that is completely subjective and open to the personal tastes of each individual.

To me it becomes a silly argument, because anyone can say, "well, the world uses chairs in their buildings." So now do we remove chairs from church?

Or better yet, we use electricity which Muslims use too, so should we not use it?

I'm pushing the argument I know, but where do we draw the line in something like this?

I say let every man/woman be convinced in their own mind.


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patrick heaviside

 2009/10/6 19:30Profile
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...the music is not what caused this to happen. Jesus Himself said that murder comes from the heart, and it is not that which is outside the body that defiles a man, but what is inside.



Good point. The Bible does teach depravity of the human heart and that the root cause of man’s problem is not the environment he is raised in but that by nature man has a wicked and selfish heart.

Man’s heart is “deceitful and desperately wicked”

Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?


The thoughts of man’s heart are “continually evil”

Genesis 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.


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TJ

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