Hello Lysa,

I do like to admit that According to Apostle Paul in the book of Corinthians he spoke of two types of christians : the carnal christians and the spiritual minded christians. Now if by BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS you mean carnal christian Offcourse YES! they can LOOSE their salvation and end up in HEll because to be carnally minded is to be dead spiritually. But if by BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS you mean Spirtually Minded ones then i tell you NO! they cant be found in HELL niether can they loose their SALVATION! because they will have their mind renewed on a daily basis and a "ROLLING STONE DOES NOT GATHERED MOSS!"

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Sandra Miller

Catholic, I guess the Thomists and the Molinist disagreement isn't what I thought it was.

salvation is not "losable" like the remote control for the T.V. is "losable"

Our salvation is apostatable (if that is a word) Just as ones marriage is divorcable.
Note:
The Greek word for divorce is ἀποστάσιον - apostasion = ap-os-tas'-ee-on
Srong's Greek #647
We get the word Apostasy or apostate from this word, but it is also what divorce is.

[b]2Thes 2:3[/b] [color=990000]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come the falling away[/color] (Greek: apostasia) [color=990000]first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;[/color]
[b]2Pe 2:1b[/b] [color=990000]even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.[/color]
They were bought with a price (1Corinth 6:20, 1Corinth 7:23) and that price was Christ's blood.
since they were bought, then they are HIS and have eternal life, however, they denied Him and Apostatized - they divorced themselves from Him

However, this doesn't come from a certain amount of sin, but from adopting a bad theology, being deceived:
[b]Gal 1:6[/b] [color=990000]I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel [b]:7[/b] Which is not another...[/color]
When anyone strays from the truth, they stray from Christ.

[b]2 Timothy 2:13[/b] [color=990000]If we believe not, yet he abides faithful: he cannot deny himself.[/color]
If we deny the faith and apostatize, He will deny us (2Tim 2:12).

If we are unbelieving and unfaithful, denying Him, then Christ will remain true to his Word, and we cannot hope to be saved.
It is a denial of his very nature to save those who are unfaithful. He is holy; how can he save one who is unholy?
Nothing would be more unrighteous than for God than to save a man that denies Him, let alone one who purposefully lived habitually in sin.

[b]Hebrew 6:6[/b] [color=990000]and having fallen away[/color] (it is impossible V4) [color=990000]to be renewing them again to repentance, all the while they are crucifying for themselves the Son of God and having publicly disgraced Him.[/color]
This verse implies that this one is still fallen away. No one who is in a fallen state may be renewed; they must repent (get up from the fallen state) in order for them to be renewed.

For, while they are still fallen, they are [color=990000]bringing forth thorns and star thistles, being disqualified and near being curse, whose end is to be burned.[/color] (Hebrew 6:8)

I have read some portions of this LONG thread. I think Logic has just made a very good point.

The two camps that often debate this issue are the "Once saved, always saved" camp and the "saved - lost - saved - lost, born again again every time you sin" camp. I really believe both are in a theological ditch so to speak and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Yes, I believe it is possible to lose your salvation, and once lost, you will never regain it.

Heb 6:4-6
(4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
(5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
(6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

I too believe that actions of sin cannot cause one to lose salvation. I will speak facetiously for a moment and say that if that were true, we ought to have an execution squad waiting behind every altar and as soon as someone receives Christ, send them to heaven promptly so they cannot lose their salvation. To me, that is the logical end to saying that actions of sin cause us to lose salvation.

Salvation, to be lost, must be denied. It must be rejected by the person to whom it was given. I think the above verses of Hebrews give some very explicit requirements of a person that can deny their salvation. It is a carefully premeditated act of the will by a person who was spiritually mature.

This being said, if a born again person willingly engages in sinful acts, that person must harden his or her heart against the Holy Spirit to do so. This willful hardening of heart is the first step toward coming to a place of apostasy. It is important that we learn to crucify our flesh and live out of our born again spirits. We are all tempted with sin. Unfortunately, sometimes we give in to a temptation. We need to be quick to repent, but also live with the assurance that we have not "thrown it all away" because of one action of sin.

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Travis