So to sum this up for you ccchhhrrriiisss, Billy Graham is the Pharisee, and Phelps is the Watchman on the Wall!
For some reason, I think that Jesus, Paul, Peter and the rest of the apostles wouldn't repeat the same words, slurs and hateful speech
_________________Christopher Joel Dandrow
Hi ChrisJD...Yes, I agree. I have heard a few of the [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=118]15 sermons by Billy Graham[/url] listed on this website. Interestingly, none of them include examples of the accusations raised by Phelps.This is a very serious accusation to make. For my part, I think that I will refrain from making a judgment on Billy Graham's eternal condition. :-(
Robert, What you shared reminded me so much of something that Pastor Cymbala shared in this message here, beginning around the 53:30 minute mark.
_________________Robert Wurtz II
It should be noted that while I have not ever heard one full message by Billy Graham, I did however attend a seminary in Charlotte, NC which he helped found by the name of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. The seminary here is very evangelical, and many of its top professors have written many articles and essays strongly advocating all the major tenants of our evangelical faith, and has not wavered whatsoever in respect to insisting that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation, and that the pagans have no hope whatsoever outside of Him.
Hey Robert,About that message, what I was most struck by was what they heard the man say that made them begin to weep after being in the meeting where they had felt the prescence of God so strongly for hours.The similarlity between that and your posting here in connection to what you experienced at the confrence was striking to me.
Chris and others,Robert's comments here are very insightful,"Do men gather grapes among prickly stabbing thorns?"
God bless you for turning me onto that message from Jim Cymbala. I had heard about him a few years back, but had never him speak, and what a blessing that was. Thank you so much.I feel bad that I posted up some of Fred Phelps rantings. I didnt mean to start a bone of contention, it was just that I was so grieved over what I saw, it was like a tectbook of what NOT to do in preaching, witnessing testifying.Maybe I should wipe the links, I dont't know, what do you think? Robert? Ginny?I'd write a letter to Fred Phelps right now, but in my spirit, I don't feel it would be recieved.Tell ya what I do feel, I'm sick at heart that I missed Barnsdall, just sick at heart. I was quite pressed out at that time, but hearing testimonies of God's working Power among the saints at Barnsdall, just fill my heart.You're a dear brother Chris, thanks for that link. I downloaded the sermon, and will listen again to the whole of it.May God bless you abundantly, neil
have told stories of a man who is an anger-holic and regularly beat his children with sticks, kicks to the groin, etc..psychological abuse and manipulation, terrible stuff.
Yes, I'm in concurrence with you, about not knowing why God allows this "ministry" to continue, but our minds, as I'm sure know better than me, cannnot fathom the Deep Things of God or His Purpose.as far as my future writings? Praise God, He has given me a "non-fiction novel" with Christ very much in the center of it. (I can hear you saying "non-fiction novel, what IS THAT?) what I mean to say is that its the "heroic journey motif", and its set 150 years in a very recognizable future, therefore as I write of this world, it has to be real to me, as if this journey did indeed happen, and every detail of the world 150 years from now, very very real. Nine weak individuals having to go from point a to point b, and the only strength they have to make it, is by relying on the Lord........God is so good, and NO, its not "the shack"! (I'm laughing) My 13 year old son just devours books, and I'm writing it for him, which means it cant be boring. Please pray for me, for Divine inspiration. I love you, neil