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Denny
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 Christian Ministry Denounced As Terrorist Group by Government

Don't think that this is a hoax. Active Christians need to be aware that they are being named by the Federal Government as being potential domestic terrorists.

How do I know this?

Life and Liberty Ministries (the Ministry I direct) has been specifically named by Homeland Security as being a terrorist threat in the recently released "2009 Virginia Terrorism Threat Assessment", produced by the Virginia Fusion Center.

The Gospel and pro-life messages are perceived as dangerous to a government that hates and opposes Biblical Truth. We live in a day when you must be sure to seek out the truth before you quickly believe statements being made against fellow Christians. Lies about our Ministry are being spread through the government report and we have been characterized as being something that we are not. This is a similar tactic that is used against faithful Christians in Socialist nations were they have be slandered and labeled as criminals in an attempt to silence them.

What will be LLM's response? We will continue to uncompromisingly stand for and spread YHWH's truth.

Let hell and her minions rage.

Isaiah stated in Is. 58:1, "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins."

Ezekiel 22:2 states, "Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? yea, thou shalt shew her all her abominations."


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Dennis Green

 2009/4/12 21:15Profile
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 Re: Christian Ministry Denounced As Terrorist Group by Government

Hi everyone,

Denny, I looked for the information that you posted here and found a report that goes by the name you mentioned.

Before I post the portion that mentions your group specifically, I would like to ask why you did not post this material, if it is the same, along with the allegations and charges that you made public here?


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Christopher Joel Dandrow

 2009/4/12 22:06Profile









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I've read the report and the brief information concerning 'Life and Liberty Ministries'. It appears to be extrememly vague concerning any concrete issues with this ministry and seems to be purely speculative and lists no facts. From teh vagueness of the report it seems legally foolish to even mention this ministry in theis report.

It doesn't seem right.
Could you give us some more information concerning the activities of this ministry? Is it confrontational? Threatening?

 2009/4/12 22:35
Denny
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You can see what we are about by visiting our website at www.lifeandlibertyministries.com

I didn't post the actual report because I didn't think of doing it. Several statements are made about our ministry that are completely fabricated.

The report tries to paint us as a dangerous group when we are just an evangelistic outreach. We are not confrontational unless you call preaching a well balanced Gospel, confrontational. We have never caused a disturbance except for disturbing the Kingdom of Darkness.

a statement is made about an outreach at Longwood University that is totally fabricated. It states that we showed up with a group of anarchists. In actuality, that ministry outreach event was without incident of any kind. I had been in dialog with the Campus Cheif of Police leading up to our appearance on campus and worked with them completely. No opposition showed up and several of our group stayed behind after the outreach to converse further with the Police Chief who was also a Christian. The report stated lies about the outreach that have no basis in reality.

We are well known and everyone who knows us knows that the report is not factual. The Gospel and pro-life messages are not close to heart of this nation's government. God's truth is dangerous to those who dispise it. I'm actually rather lovable :)

Denny


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Dennis Green

 2009/4/12 23:30Profile
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I have no problem with the section of the report being posted that speaks of our ministry. Please, however, keep in mind that the accusations made are not factual.


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Dennis Green

 2009/4/12 23:32Profile
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Dennis Green

 2009/4/12 23:42Profile









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I haven't read the document nor accusations and it would help if it/they were posted here and you high-light the ones that are false Denny.

To me a "terrorist" is someone who plans to hurt other people somehow. I don't understand how that word could be applied to peaceful stands against abortion.

Many of us on this forum are non-resistant Anabaptist style - but I know that some Christians have been accused of being otherwise because they put up articles from other websites that are talking about 'revolution' against the nwo or are screaming over their 2nd amendment "rights."

I don't know all about your views from having just now read some of your website - but I think you may know what I'm saying about what websites are quoted.

We don't even have a gun or anything like that - but that doesn't mean that this pro-death culture won't hurl something at us for "thought crimes" if we don't agree with any policies or events.

Even if you were Amish Brother, you should know that persecution would begin somewhere - as Stephen, just a "bus boy" as Art Katz said, was stoned to death just for 'speaking' truth. None of the first disciples or apostles were weapon weilding zealots.

You have a beautiful family and you have our prayers. Just mentioned Richard Wurmbrand on another thread. It's good to read about the Anabaptists and what those poor souls went through just for their beliefs alone.

If you all are peaceful folks - my tears are not wasted for you all and will pray that HE grant you favor and strengthen your heart to always do - say and post on your website what is from CHRIST and HIS WORD only.
In the meantime - always have a number of folks videoing anything you all do in your ministry.

The LORD can vindicate you - as HE did with Paul appealing to Rome 'or' it could all go, how Paul finished up his ministry. 'That' is what we pray is not happening as yet - but if it is - remember Stephen -- and the rest of us better decide who we serving.
Avoid even the appearance of evil and you are vindicated Always by The Righteous Judge - even if they slay us and falsely accuse us as they did HIM and the prophets before HIM. Great is His Faithfulness.

 2009/4/13 3:06
ChrisJD
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Hi again everyone.

Denny,

If I could suggest, that by not presenting the report along with the claims you have made(and specifically the parts that refer to the ministry you are involved with, in context) it could seem as though you are misrepresenting the report and the state and federal agencies you have mentioned. I think this is especially true because of the language you have used in describing the situation(including the title of this thread), and also because the things that are reported about the ministry appear in a larger context that is not appearant to the people that are reading what you've said.



Wish you all well,

Chris


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Christopher Joel Dandrow

 2009/4/13 19:51Profile
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Hello...

I am interested in seeing this article. Of course, I wouldn't give much weight to the claims made -- especially if it targets groups for standing up for righteousness (like those who kindly seek to protect the unborn). Interestingly, this attempt to [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/]label those who oppose certain forms of legislation as "terrorists" or "radicals"[/url] seems to becoming more and more of an issue.

This is extremely disheartening. It seems that the radicals are actually those who want to accuse anyone who doesn't agree with their views on morality (abortion, homosexuality, etc...) of being "radicals."

:-(


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Christopher

 2009/4/14 13:07Profile
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 Have been reading about this today

http://www.thevoicemagazine.com/headline-news/politics/537-are-all-christians-rightwing-extremists.html

Quote from the website:
Some Christians are concerned that their conservative Christian values could soon put them at risk of becoming terrorist suspects by Homeland Security. A recent report circulating around the Internet has engendered the worry because of a newly distributed U.S. Department of Homeland Security Assessment called “Rightwing Extremism: Current economic and political climate fueling resurgence in radicalization and recruitment.”

The intelligence assessment was sent to law enforcement officials across the country and defines rightwing extremism in the United States as follows: "Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration." Notice too promotion of the Tenth and Eleventh Amendments of the Constitution that protects state rights and limits Federal government infringement may also tag you as suspect.

Christians opposed to abortion as a means of birth control could fit this label. Others that view abortion as murder, for example, could also. Even Christians opposed to same sex marriage and homosexuality are candidates because opposing views could be construed as hate crimes. These two shared Christian values, according to Homeland Security, could be classified as "hate-oriented" and "single issue." If you adhere to those particular biblical views you could be considered a rightwing extremist suspect and subject to surveillance.

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[b]Homeland Security is also concerned with returning veterans that possess combat skills and warn of "end times prophecies that could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition, and weapons." Their concern is that Christians often identify with such prophecies.[/b]

In the intelligence assessment, Homeland Security is sensitive to Christian religious teachings that might lead to violence: "These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement."

It appears, therefore, that Christians should be aware that they can be lumped into the category of "rightwing terrorists" when taking a stand on certain issues such as abortion, homosexuality and immigration enforcement. Christians that believe God is their source of salvation rather than the State could face surprising challenges to their personal faith in the days ahead.

As the TEA Parties increase across the country some think the government may respond by calling out the troops, bringing in the police and using the Patriot Act to silence, harass and even jail individuals that exercise their constitutional rights.

The unclassified Homeland Security document concludes: “DHS and Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing extremist activity in the United States, with a particular emphasis on the political, economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization.”

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I believe the threat is very real and close at hand. Praying that we will be armed with the full armor of God and standing on His Promises - that is our hope, our salvation.

Praise Jesus,
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