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 Be Alert! David Wilkerson's "latest" prophecy

[size=medium][b]Latest David Wilkerson Prophetic Prediction - Is It New?[/b][/size]
[font=Georgia][b]MORIEL MINISTRIES - By James Jacob Prasch - March 10, 2009[/b][/font]

Moriel and Jacob Prasch have received multiple inquiries regarding the [url=http://davidwilkersontoday.blogspot.com/2009/03/urgent-message.html]issuance of a prophetic prediction by David Wilkerson dated March 7, 2009.[/url]

The complication is that although having some additions, it is not new but reiterates one made in 1992 when he said it would be "soon" 17 years ago and is confusing in that it urges 30 days emergency food supply be kept on hand, but stating he has no idea of when.

[b]The latest version of Mr. Wilkerson's prophetic prediction:[/b]
[i]An earth-shattering calamity is about to happen," he writes. "It is going to be so frightening, we are all going to tremble - even the godliest among us." Wilkerson's vision is of fires raging through New York City. "It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires - such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago," he explains. "There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be looting - including Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under God's wrath. In Psalm 11 it is written, "If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?"[/i] [url=http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91097](WorldNetDaily)[/url]

[b]The Original version of Mr. Wilkerson's prophecy - Sept 7, 1992:[/b]
[i]"I have had recurring visions of over 1,000 fires burning at one time here in New York City. I am convinced race riots will soon explode! New York City is right now a powder keg-ready to blow!...federal and State Welfare cutbacks will be the spark that ignites the fuse. Next year, New York City could have over 100,000 angry men on the streets, enraged because they have been cut off from benefits.... Federal troops will have to move in to restore order. New York City will have tanks running down its avenues.... Churches will be closed for a season because it will be too dangerous to travel about. Fires will rage everywhere."[/i]

Many prophetic voices from multiple quarters have been directed by The Holy Spirit to alert The Body of Christ of divine judgment coming on the planet generally, including on the utterly backslidden Protestant Democracies not excluding the USA due to the genocidal proportions of non therapeutic abortion. Britain and Europe however are even more post Judeo Christian and Neo Pagan than the USA, and incipient persecution of the true church and growing anti Semitism and anti Zionism, (both factors in divine judgment) are more acute. More importantly, scripture foretells a coming judgment of God on the Moslem world and unbelieving Israel is bound for 'The Time of Jacob's Trouble'.

We certainly do not deny David Wilkerson's good intentions, nor can we deny that God has spoken through him in the past in the prophetic realm with accuracy. Additionally, Hebrew prophets like Jeremiah, Joel and Isaiah warned of judgments decades before they transpired.

There are however concerns that lead us to urge caution in testing Mr. Wilkerson's predictions as we commanded to test prophecy in 1 Corinthians 14, and we are warned of those predicting things in a time specific manner that fail to transpire in Deuteronomy 18 & Jeremiah 28 where we have a list of biblically proven false prophets such as Paul Cain, Rick Joyner, Benny Hinn, Cindy Jacobs, Pat Robertson, and Kenneth Copeland.

[b]In fairness, Mr. Wilkerson set no date, but the question automatically arises:[/b]
[b]*[/b] "Why then are 30 days food specified"?
[b]*[/b] Also, how soon was soon in 1992?

Had Mr. Wilkerson said 'soon' and then said to store up 30 days food supply, it would make sense. Instead, his latest prediction states flatly he has no time frame and does not say "soon" as he did with the same prediction in 1992.

Biblical prophets gave clear signals. Store up 30 days food supply from when? Surely there must be clarification if this is from God.

Mr. Wilkerson discredited himself and his ministry in his shameful and stupid visit several years ago to the UK, and this has made many British Christians who had admired him in times past skeptical, not of his integrity, but of his credibility.

After denouncing the kind of 'laughing & drunken' counterfeit revivals associated with the Pensacola and Toronto fiascoes in his excellent recording [url=http://www.intotruth.org/dev/reproach.htm]"Reproach On The Solemn Assembly"[/url]", in a direct, and some would say hypocritical contradiction of his own warnings, Mr. Wilkerson rejected solid warnings and accepted a number of engagements to speak many of the most lunatic fringe churches that continued promoting these very deceptions. One church he spoke at in The English Midlands promoted Benny Hinn only one month later.

Mr. Wilkerson then began defending the wolves in sheep's clothing and criticized their opponents who warned the sheep from them. Mr. Wilkerson then went to London to a church that followed the Toronto Experience and Paul Cain (the confessed homosexual and alcoholic false prophet and mentor of Todd Bentley) to deliver one of the most utterly ridiculous, completely irresponsible, and totally unbiblical teachings imaginable.

With no regard to the exegetical context, Mr. Wilkerson invented the unbiblical doctrine of 'feeding Jesus' (Jesus Himself said that His food is to do the will of The One who sent Him) and essentially mindlessly blabbed out a line of biblically un-founded rubbish in its purest form.

We are warned not to sharply rebuke an older man, and we do not wish to. However, his teaching was a barrage of silly unscriptural junk not supported by the cited text in context and not of God. This however was the prelude to his supreme betrayal of those who trusted him.

Mr. Wilkerson spoke of being on the ground laughing unable to get up because God's Hand was on him. The Fruit of The Spirit is 'Self Control' (ekreitei) not the lack if it. The fact that he 'could not get up' proves it was not God's Hand that was upon him. The Word of God teaches the very antithesis.

For a respected brother of his stature to preach one thing but do the very thing he preached against was a colossal act of hypocrisy. It was a huge let down. It would have been better had he never come to Great Britain. His visit has had no enduring positive impact. Ever since Mr. Wilkerson's indefensible antics in Britain, we have not been able to trust him or respect his judgment or discernment to the degree we once did. We do not attack his integrity but we simply cannot exercise the confidence in him in The Lord we so much did at one time.

Again, he is a man of God but none of us is perfect. He may be right but the prophecy is so nebulous how can we know? Why does he say something 17 years ago saying it would be soon, but now say store up 30 days provision yet saying he does not know for when? It is very unclear and the source of the prophecy no longer commands the credibility that he once did.

His nonsense in Britain was an idiotic disgrace. We just do not know if he is any longer reliable or not. Yet, we are not against him personally and we again recognize that God has indeed used him including prophetically. Our simple advice is to weigh his warning carefully. We want God to bless David Wilkerson and we still esteem his overall legacy. However, in the UK he sadly tainted it.

Having said that, without any reference to David Wilkerson, the scriptures generally point to a global crisis socially, economically, strategically, and politically with a coming chaos heralding the wrath of God. Many godly Christians likewise echo similar warnings. God's judgment is coming and to a degree has already come. This no bible based praying Christian can possibly deny.

On this note, we would point our readers to the following article by our friend Brother Paul McGuire.

In Jesus,
Jacob Prasch

This and the rest of the message can be viewed [url=http://campaign.constantcontact.com/render?v=001aqj1QInodGRMWw12uBg7Vy9zI19A_29z3w2Dyg-yocnYEEMD-B3vx4ZLP7jUWoisDyiycL7yT-qNDtJQLGYvokT0o9oPPVVhab_5a-E_KmDQCN-ibsJPb9YsjesPNaSdyvd4K251ukMJl8fsILnrCG3w5XHg6XbrEBtjWhgvlNW9IgPhNkQ5NVEx_uusL79kGAsXyZkqHx7oJlkgAww-1QWszr1BbHbYcfosYBgq5ZFW00XQpW-Zug%3D%3D]Here[/url]

 2009/3/13 19:49Profile









 Re: Be Alert! David Wilkerson's "latest" prophecy

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In Jesus,
Jacob Prasch



This was written "In Jesus" Mr. Prasch?

May I ask if your teaching on Midrash was written "In Jesus" as well?

This is sickening. Have you the right to throw the first stone with your background Mr. Prasch?

How many people has David Wilkerson personally hurt that have been in physical contact with him personally Sir?

Has he ever put the Talmud in his teachings?

I only ask because in order for anyone to come against someone who has a clean record since the 1950's of never personally hurting anyone emotionally or with harsh MEAN words - they themselves should have a Record far more lily white than David's.

How many souls have you won to Christ compared to David?

Do you live in Hell's kitchen in NYC?

Have you dealt with a knife being held at you and saying "I love you" to that person?

Have you always had a control over your "ANGER" and "words" with those who have come in contact with you?

David has.

There are many more questions that I could ask - from my experiences with followers of both TSC and Moriel over the last 7 yr.s - but I'll hold and pray that someone from ACT will speak up for what you've done here.

Someone from ACT that knows that your record is far from Lily White Sir.

Cut throat society in these last days - because iniquity is abounding - the love of MOST is growing cold and this is living proof.


GOD help us all.

 2009/3/13 20:07









 Re: Be Alert! David Wilkerson's "latest" prophecy

My views do not reflect those of SermonIndex on this and I extend my apologies to SermonIndex and to Logic for my reply but cannot retract it.

 2009/3/13 20:11









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David Wilkerson is not perfect unlike the people
at Moriel.
David Wilkerson is not venemous and hate filled as Jacob Prasch is either.

Lets look at the fruit:
David Wilkerson's ministry Teen Challenge has been used of God to set thousands upon thousands of drug addicts free by the power of the
Holy Spirit. Lives eternally changed for the better.

Moriel has been used by "god" to do what?????
Blather and critisize and not much else.

Yes some fruit there.

 2009/3/13 20:28
Logic
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Does not matter who wrote the artical, the facts are true and the rubuke to David Wilkerson still stands because it is valid.

David Wilkerson "prophesied" something that has not come to pass:
[b]Deut 18:22[/b] [color=990000]When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.[/color]

David Wilkerson did speak of being on the ground laughing unable to get up, reminiscent of the herertical "laughing revival" as the "Toronto bleesing" & the "Brownsville revival"

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Jesus-is-GOD wrote:
This is sickening. Have you the right to throw the first stone with your background Mr. Prasch?

What "background" are you talking about?
one that has not been repented of yet?

Quote:
How many souls have you won to Christ compared to David?

Jacob Prasch has a diferent ministery that David Wilkerson has, He wasn't called to baptise (call men to salvation), he was called to be a watchman.

 2009/3/13 20:34Profile









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Some sincere brethren have offered misguided concern over brother Wilkersons warning, but this is sure rubbish of a different sort. Either this fellow is very ignorant or he is willfully twisting and mis-representing the vision brother David openly admits he has had for many years.

This is so ridiculous it is not worth saying anything more about.

-Jim

 2009/3/13 20:37









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 2009/3/13 20:38









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Brother Logic, my questions were posed to Mr. Prasch himself. I can't get into an argument with anyone here. This is info that he is well aware of and not for public mud slinging.

I am appealing to the [b]ACT[/b] Team.

This is no small piece of slander that's been posted here.

Mr. Prasch is representing ACT and should be held accountable by them for what he sends out publically in "these days".

This is a blot against the Team in most people's eyes.

Was it worth it, is the Main question, in these days?

How is it helping the Body right now?

That is our main question now and expect that ACT will answer this.

I cannot say anymore Logic - so please don't ask.

But you can get Pastor Randles thoughts for us - if you want to help, in case he doesn't reply through ACT.



 2009/3/13 20:47
Logic
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Quote:
Rev__Enue wrote:
David Wilkerson is not perfect unlike the people
at Moriel.
David Wilkerson is not venemous and hate filled as Jacob Prasch is either.

Lets look at the fruit:
David Wilkerson's ministry Teen Challenge has been used of God to set thousands upon thousands of drug addicts free by the power of the
Holy Spirit. Lives eternally changed for the better.

Moriel has been used by "god" to do what?????
Blather and critisize and not much else.

Yes some fruit there.

Moriel critisizes the unbiblical things going on and being said in the Church and calles by name those people who are leading the flock astray.

What will you do with the "prophesy" from Septempber 7, 1992 which is said to be comming to pass soon that has not come to pass?

David Wilkerson is a great preacher with a very needed ministry, but he is not a prophet and should refrain from prophesying.

 2009/3/13 20:52Profile









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Mr Logic

When Wilkerson said soon in 1992 did he suggest
what time frame soon suggested? No.
Soon could be 5 years and it could be 50 years.
So how could you say that this a false prophecy
if the time is not yet at hand?
You can not.

Tell me , what has Moriel done for anyone ?

 2009/3/13 21:03





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