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| Catholic church reinstates indulgences|
The announcement in church bulletins and on Web sites has been greeted with enthusiasm by some and wariness by others. But mainly, it has gone over the heads of a vast generation of Roman Catholics who have no idea what it means: Bishop Announces Plenary Indulgences.
In recent months, dioceses around the world have been offering Catholics a spiritual benefit that fell out of favor decades ago the indulgence, a sort of amnesty from punishment in the afterlife and reminding them of the churchs clout in mitigating the wages of sin.
The fact that many Catholics under 50 have never sought one, and never heard of indulgences except in high school European history (Martin Luther denounced the selling of them in 1517 while igniting the Protestant Reformation), simply makes their reintroduction more urgent among church leaders bent on restoring fading traditions of penance in what they see as a self-satisfied world.
Why are we bringing it back? asked Bishop Nicholas A. DiMarzio of Brooklyn, who has embraced the move. Because there is sin in the world.
Like the Latin Mass and meatless Fridays, the indulgence was one of the traditions decoupled from mainstream Catholic practice in the 1960s by the Second Vatican Council, the gathering of bishops that set a new tone of simplicity and informality for the church. Its revival has been viewed as part of a conservative resurgence that has brought some quiet changes and some highly controversial ones, like Pope Benedict XVIs recent decision to lift the excommunications of four schismatic bishops who reject the councils reforms.
The indulgence is among the less noticed and less disputed traditions to be restored. But with a thousand-year history and volumes of church law devoted to its intricacies, it is one of the most complicated to explain.
According to church teaching, even after sinners are absolved in the confessional and say their Our Fathers or Hail Marys as penance, they still face punishment after death, in Purgatory, before they can enter heaven. In exchange for certain prayers, devotions or pilgrimages in special years, a Catholic can receive an indulgence, which reduces or erases that punishment instantly, with no formal ceremony or sacrament.
There are partial indulgences, which reduce purgatorial time by a certain number of days or years, and plenary indulgences, which eliminate all of it, until another sin is committed. You can get one for yourself, or for someone who is dead. You cannot buy one the church outlawed the sale of indulgences in 1567 but charitable contributions, combined with other acts, can help you earn one. There is a limit of one plenary indulgence per sinner per day.
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| 2009/2/10 5:50||Profile|
| Re: Catholic church reinstates indulgences|
I saw that yesterday in the newspaper, and I declined to post it, because it was just so......wrong, and grieved me so. Please don't mistake me, I'm not saying anything against you posting it...no, no. How can people so pervert the message of the Gospel?
its just terrible.
I DO pray for those who love Jesus trapped within the bondage of that organization, that they may be freed.
| 2009/2/10 7:39|
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Neil... why are we so surprised that the Catholic Church would pervert the gospel? They've been doing it since Augustine. The Catholic Church has nothing to do with the truth of the Word of God. It is a false religion just like Hinduism, Buddism and Islam.
Of course "indulgences" are terrible, and so is the reason behind them. But then again, the mass is blasphemy... the eucharist is blasphemy... just about every doctrine of the Catholic Church is blasphemy outside of the Trinity and Christ's divinity. But even at that they pervert by adding Mary into the mix.
No surprise here. Expecting the Catholic Church to act according to the Word of God makes about as much sense as expecting a goat to act like a sheep.
| 2009/2/10 8:03|
| Re: oh Steve|
I'm not surprised at all! Its just so blasphemous and WRONG that it takes my breath away, and I just didnt want to even think about the whole mess one more millisecond than I absolutely had to.
Stevie, before I started following Jesus in May of 2002, as a Jew, I didnt even know of the differences bewteen the roman church and Protestantism, I just thought they were two different kind of Gentiles, I didnt know theologically how far the roman church had went off the rails of the Ministry of Jesus.
I did know some of the history regarding the roman church and how they have murdered the tribe of my flesh, the Jews, I did know that, and regarded them as children of the destroyer, which is why when the Lord chose me, he didnt lead me into a roman church, because the Lord is a merciful God, praise His Name!
In the Holy Spirit, I "got their number", I know what their "game" is, priestcraft, superstitution, popery, mary worship. My heart goes out to the poor trapped souls within this "church" that DO love Jesus, but they are trapped, and held in bondage. Would to God, a "Moses" come and led them OUT of rome! In Jesus Name, amen.
| 2009/2/10 8:22|
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This is so sad... I agree totally with Krispy, Catholism is nothing but paganism mingled with Christianity. Deception can't be deception unless it has elements of truth, that's exactly what Catholism does leads people away from the truth of the gospel. I had posted a text version of a sermon by John Macarthur on the heresy of the Catholic mass and The idolatry of Mary worship, very informative. You can also listen to it on his website.
| 2009/2/10 8:34||Profile|
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lol... Neil, up until we became buds on here, one of my aunts was the only person I ever let call me "Stevie".
You're in a class by yourself... w/ my aunt!
| 2009/2/10 10:25|
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"before I started following Jesus in May of 2002, as a Jew, I didnt even know of the differences bewteen the roman church and Protestantism, I just thought they were two different kind of Gentiles."
On my way to the Greenock conference, I got stuck on the tarmac for five hours at Chicago(where else)I was seated beside a used car salesman , a Muslim from Jerusalem. I got a chance to share the Gospel with him, with many others listening. I listened to him for almost 40 minutes explain to me his Muslim faith. When he was finished, I thanked him for his explanation and then asked him if he would mind me explaining what I, as a Christian believed. One of the most striking parts of his conversation was that he had no idea that Christianity was anything other than Catholicism, none at all. It was all Catholic to him. I explained to him that I was an ex-Catholic and now a born-again Christian, this was a difficult concept for him to grasp but it gave me an opportunity to go into detail what the difference between a religious person was and one who had genuinly met Jesus.......Frank
| 2009/2/10 10:51|