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HeartSong
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 Who is cast into the Lake of Fire?

[b]The Beast[/b] (Rev 19:20) Strong's G2342 - thērion
1) an animal
2) a wild animal, wild beast, beast
3) metaph. a brutal, bestial man, savage, ferocious

[b]The False Prophet[/b] (Rev 19:20) Strong's G5578 - pseudoprophētēs
1) one who, acting the part of a divinely inspired prophet, utters falsehoods under the name of divine prophecies
2) a false prophet

[b]The Devil[/b] (Rev 20:10) Strong's G1228 - diabolos
1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely
--- a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,
2) metaph. applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with him

[b]Death[/b] (Rev 20:14) Strong's G2288 - thanatos
1) the death of the body
--- a) that separation (whether natural or violent) of the soul and the body by which the life on earth is ended
--- b) with the implied idea of future misery in hell
------ 1) the power of death
--- c) since the nether world, the abode of the dead, was conceived as being very dark, it is equivalent to the region of thickest darkness i.e. figuratively, a region enveloped in the darkness of ignorance and sin
2) metaph., the loss of that life which alone is worthy of the name,
--- a) the misery of the soul arising from sin, which begins on earth but lasts and increases after the death of the body in hell
3) the miserable state of the wicked dead in hell
4) in the widest sense, death comprising all the miseries arising from sin, as well physical death as the loss of a life consecrated to God and blessed in him on earth, to be followed by wretchedness in hell

[b]Hell[/b] (Rev 20:14) Strong's G86 - hadēs
1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell
In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Luk 16:23, Rev 20:13, 14; a very uncomfortable place. (TDNT)

[b]Fearful People[/b](Rev 21:8) Strong's G1169 - deilos
from deos (dread)
1) timid, fearful

[b]Unbelieving People[/b] (Rev 21:8) Strong's G571 - apistos
1) unfaithful, faithless, (not to be trusted, perfidious)
2) incredible
--- a) of things
3) unbelieving, incredulous
--- a) without trust (in God)

[b]Abominable People[/b] (Rev 21:8) Strong's G948 - bdelyssomai
1) to render foul, to cause to be abhorred
2) abominable
3) to turn one's self away from on account of the stench
4) metaph. to abhor, detest

[b]Murderers[/b] (Rev 21:8) Strong's G5406 - phoneus
1) a murderer, a homicide

[b]Whoremongers[/b] (Rev 21:8) Strong’s G4205 - pornos
from pernemi (to sell, akin to the base of G4097)
1) a man who prostitutes his body to another's lust for hire
2) a male prostitute
3) a man who indulges in unlawful sexual intercourse, a fornicator

[b]Sorcerers[/b] (Rev 21:8) Strong’s G5332 - pharmakeus
from pharmakon (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion)
1) one who prepares or uses magical remedies
2) sorcerer

[b]Idolaters[/b] (Rev 21:8) Strong's G1496 - eidōlolatrēs
1) a worshipper of false gods, a idolater
--- a) used of any one even Christian, participant in any way in the worship of the heathen, esp. one who attends their sacrificial feasts and eats of the remains of offered victims
2) a covetous man as a worshipper of Mammon

[b]Liars[/b] (Rev 21:8) Strong’s G5571 - pseudēs
1) lying, deceitful, false


[b]Whosoever was not found written in the book of life[/b] (Rev. 20:15)


And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Rev 22:19)

 2009/1/13 0:26Profile
HeartSong
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 Re: Who is cast into the Lake of Fire?

I ran across something curious as I was putting this together.


The term [b]"outer darkness"[/b] is only mentioned three times in the Bible (KJV)
- and all three times it is accompanied by [u][b][i]weeping[/i][/b] and gnashing of teeth[/u]
(with weeping and gnashing only occurring together two more times).

Matthew 8:10-12
When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into [b]outer darkness[/b]: there shall be [u][b][i]weeping[/i][/b] and gnashing of teeth[/u].

Matthew 22:12-13
And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into [b]outer darkness[/b], there shall be [u][b][i]weeping[/i][/b] and gnashing of teeth[/u].

Matthew 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into [b]outer darkness[/b]: there shall be [u][b][i]weeping[/i][/b] and gnashing of teeth[/u].



Additionally the term [b]"furnace of fire"[/b] only occurs twice
- both times along with [u][b][i]wailing[/b][/i] and gnashing of teeth[/u]
(with wailing and gnashing only appearing together these two times).


Matthew 13:41-42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a [b]furnace of fire[/b]: there shall be [u][b][i]wailing[/b][/i] and gnashing of teeth[/u].

Matthew 13:49-50
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the [b]furnace of fire[/b]: there shall be [u][b][i]wailing[/i][/b] and gnashing of teeth[/u].

 2009/1/13 11:50Profile
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 Re: Who is cast into the Lake of Fire?

Hi Heartsong,
You post stuff like this and I get myself into trouble. ;-)

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And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 22:19



Firstly, to me, I have always believed that ones' part has to be "IN" the book of life in order for it to be taken "out."

[b]Whosoever was not found written in the book of life[/b] (Rev. 20:15)

Secondly, I see a distinction between those who are cast in the lake of fire and then finally Rev 20.15, that all these listed are NOT one and the same with those whose names are not written in the book of life. Am I making sense?

The point seems to be mute if the fearful are indeed those not found written in the book of life; so why bother mentioning them as a side bar? That's the distinction I'm talking about. Why mention both fearful being cast into the lake of fire [b]AND[/b] whosoever is not found in the book of life? The same for the unbelieving, the abominable, the murderers, the whoremongers, the sorcerers, the idolaters and the liars.

There are fearful people who call themselves Christians, there are whoremongers who call themselves Christians. There are murderers who call themselves Christians; who do not murder with their hands but there words. And in fact all the above would probably say and believe that they are Christians.

Hmmmm. Is this the kind of discussion you were looking for? If not, I'm sorry! I do thank you for posting these like you did, I appreciate it.

God bless,


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 2009/1/13 14:23Profile
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Hmmmm. Is this the kind of discussion you were looking for?


The Lord has been making it increasingly clear to me that not all self professing Christians will be going to heaven. While I became aware of the concept some time ago, I had dismissed the thought because there was such controversy over the subject. But now the pieces are slowly falling into place and there is little doubt as to the truth of the matter. It is not a pretty picture.

Thank you for what you have written - I had not thought of it in that context.

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HeartSong wrote:
The Lord has been making it increasingly clear to me that not all self professing Christians will be going to heaven.



To give you a sense of the matter, the 'broad way' is not the entire world, but professing Christianity, the rest of the world hasn't even made an attempt to enter 'the way' yet. The 'narrow way' is genuine Christianity.

Not intending to be a perfect count, but for an idea of scope, simple math with Rev 5:11 teaches that 1 in 200 people ever to have existed will be saved. (Approximately 110,000,000 out of a total of approximately 22,000,000,000 born) Since we have come out of the Philadelphian period where the Lord had much good to say of the church and now live in that most terrible of church periods known as the Laodicean, we can expect that number to be 1 in 500 or so. If we use 20% of regular church attendance in North America, and assumed that all believers were in the church, that would mean that somewhere in the range of 1 in 100 of those in the church are truly blood-bought children of God.

At this point the only question we should ask is what might that ratio be at SI?

Old Joe

 2009/1/14 9:11
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. . . somewhere in the range of 1 in 100 of those in the church are truly blood-bought children of God.


No wonder it was so hard to find anyone that would talk about God.

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And then there is the "[b]bottomless pit[/b]"


[b]bottomless[/b] Strong's G12 - abyssos
1) bottomless
2) unbounded
3) the abyss
--- a) the pit
--- b) the immeasurable depth
--- c) of Orcus, a very deep gulf or chasm in the lowest parts of the earth used as the common receptacle of the dead and especially as the abode of demons

[b]pit[/b] (Rev 9:1&2) Strong's G5421 - phrear
1) a well
2) the pit of the abyss (because the nether world is thought to increase in size the further it extends from the surface of the earth and so resemble a cistern, the orifice of which is narrow)


Revelation 9:1
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the [u]key[/u] of the bottomless pit.

Revelation 9:2
And he [u]opened[/u] the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Revelation 9:11
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Revelation 11:7
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that [u]ascendeth[/u] out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall [u]ascend[/u] out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 20:1
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the [u]key[/u] of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and [u]shut[/u] him up, and set a [u]seal[/u] upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

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HeartSong wrote:
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. . . somewhere in the range of 1 in 100 of those in the church are truly blood-bought children of God.


No wonder it was so hard to find anyone that would talk about God.



When the pulpit and the pew are overrun by heathen, the Christian will not be welcome in the visible church.

If one hasn't been asked to leave a church, forced out, marginalized, or some other such persecution by a church, their salvation should be questioned.

Old Joe

 2009/1/18 12:07
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It would appear that I am welcome - that is, if I keep my mouth shut. Kind of like being pushed and pulled at the same time. The worst part is the low view of my Lord, the things that they do in His name - of which I am expected to participate. When I am there it is like I am trapped and I have a deep sense of wanting to melt into the carpet.

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HeartSong wrote:
It would appear that I am welcome - that is, if I keep my mouth shut. Kind of like being pushed and pulled at the same time. The worst part is the low view of my Lord, the things that they do in His name - of which I am expected to participate. When I am there it is like I am trapped and I have a deep sense of wanting to melt into the carpet.



That is how it starts. "You are welcome if you will only compromise", the next step is "You will not compromise so you are not welcome", the next step is a restraining order, after that it is court, and depending on the nature of the church, sometimes there will even be death threats and attacks on your person/property. The Pharisees breathed out threatenings on Christ's life so it should not surprise us that the current institution of religion will do the same to those who are Christ's.

They generally work on you by way of the Hegelian dialectic, are you aware of it? It happens anywhere that discussion takes place.


Old Joe

 2009/1/18 13:03





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