| Poster | Thread | graceamazed
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| | Open mic gathers - pros and cons | | Was wondering what kind of experiences people on SI have had in open mic approaches to public gatherings. An example of this would be: Everyone has gathered for a service, someone reads a passage of scripture (perhaps an entire epistle) and then there is opportunity for people to share and exhort one another from what was read - they may expound on a particular verse, share something that they felt the Lord quicken within them as the scripture was being read or someone might share a testimony as it pertains to the scripture that was read. The basic idea, I guess, is this: the multiplicity of the "body" has an opportunity to be used by the Spirit in exhortation, as opposed to one man exhorting from scripture every week.
I'm not suggesting this as a standard for every gathering, but asking if anyone has seen this sort of approach bear fruit when used occasionally? I'm mindful of the fact that you open yourself up to the possibility that someone might (and probably will at some point) share ideas that do not line up with sound doctrine, but if the leadership of the church (elders, pastor, etc.) are there operating as moderaters in a sense, they should be able to bring balance or correction to anything that is shared.
I think of Titus 4:13 and particularly the passage in 1 Corinthians 14:26-33, with verse 29 saying, "Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment." It could be health for a body of believers to listen to and examine what others are saying, even if not everyone who shares does so from a perfect doctrinal position. Verse 31 of 1 Cor. 14 says, "For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted." Maybe having this kind of fellowship service at times could be a great training ground for people to develop and be recognized in their giftings to teach or exhort. Thinking of trying this with our church, but wanted to hear any pros or cons before doing so.
I believe this is at the heart of many "cell group" meetings, but I'm asking about it's functionality in the congregational setting of a church that has between 150 and 200 attendees.
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|  2009/1/10 11:16 | Profile | White_Stone
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| | Re: Open mic gathers - pros and cons | | Hello graceamazed,
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I believe this is at the heart of many "cell group" meetings, but I'm asking about it's functionality in the congregational setting of a church that has between 150 and 200 attendees.
That is too large a group to be able to allow complete Epistles to be read. Especially, to even allow feedback on any specific verse. The ones who do not get to voice their opinion will be forced into the background, probably even further than they were before the 'open mike' event For they may be timid about speaking up and by the time they may gain the courage to speak, the event is over. Then they may feel doomed to failure, as their voice is never heard. The whole congregation may suffer loss because that one voice may have brought illumination to the subject. The one's who always speak out will be boldest and possibly 'take over' the mike.
Things must be done in an orderly fashion. I feel this is for the preservation of the weaker members and the sanity of all others.
This is in my humble opinion, of course. Hopefully, there may be others who have actually experienced something like this who may contribute.
Kind regards,
white stone
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| | 2009/1/10 12:47 | Profile | Heydave
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| | Re: Open mic gathers - pros and cons | | Quote:
Was wondering what kind of experiences people on SI have had in open mic approaches to public gatherings. An example of this would be: Everyone has gathered for a service, someone reads a passage of scripture (perhaps an entire epistle) and then there is opportunity for people to share and exhort one another from what was read - they may expound on a particular verse, share something that they felt the Lord quicken within them as the scripture was being read or someone might share a testimony as it pertains to the scripture that was read. The basic idea, I guess, is this: the multiplicity of the "body" has an opportunity to be used by the Spirit in exhortation, as opposed to one man exhorting from scripture every week.
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I believe this is at the heart of many "cell group" meetings, but I'm asking about it's functionality in the congregational setting of a church that has between 150 and 200 attendees.
This is what is comonly called 'body ministry' and was very much in evidence during the 70's and early 80's in the 'house church' movement here in the UK. In fact the first church I was part of after being saved was a house church that operated in this way. This church was about 50 people at the most, but I also visited others that had 100 - 150 people. The format was no front led worship and no front led worship.
There are still a number of churches around that are structured this way and Philologo's (forum member)church local to me does have this structure.
I suggest that you visit the forum on 'Who is responsible for this state of a affairs?' as the subject of church structure is being discused and was started by philologos. Not exactly in this detail, but it is looking at the structure of church leadership etc. If you read back through the threads you will get a good idea.
How does it work? I think Philologos would be better placed answer as he is actively involved in this type of church. From my experience it was good if you had a sound eldership thta was able to corect error in a sensitive way. The only thing that it may lack is a sound exposition of the word of God as you would get from a sermon. That said, I have heard many a sermon that was nothing but wind and sand, so that is no guarantee! This could be offset by a seperate bible teaching night.
Also the emphasis is on allowing the Holy Spirit to minister through the body, each one as he is led. This pre-supposes that people are correctly being prompted by the Spirit and as is often the case people think they are more than they really are.
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| | 2009/1/10 12:56 | Profile | philologos
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| | Re: | | Just to say I am happy to be part of this discussion. :-)
I think it is not absolutely the size which determines things but the make up of the meeting. If the meeting is an extended family which has grown over time 200 would be close to a maximum but this pattern cannot be imposed on a gathering. If the folks have 'grown up' together and know the pattern this can and does work. These people would know the 'eldership' and be sensitive to their input too.
If you have a meeting which is constituted mainly of 'strangers' this would be almost impossible. It is because we have meetings of strangers that we have to resort to 'formal' patterns of authority.
We had a Christmas family gathering of about 20 people. Everyone knew everyone. Everyone knew each other's character and were tolerant of each other. If you get 20 strangers in a room someone will appoint himself 'leader'.
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| | 2009/1/10 13:49 | Profile | Compton
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It is because we have meetings of strangers that we have to resort to 'formal' patterns of authority.
And I think the inverse can also be true; because we often resort to formal patterns of authority many congregations remain meetings of strangers.
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| | 2009/1/10 14:11 | Profile | graceamazed
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And I think the inverse can also be true; because we often resort to formal patterns of authority many congregations remain meetings of strangers.
This is quite true. I was meeting with a brother from our church this morning and he referenced a lady in our body that prayed a corporate prayer last week for her son. My friend was very blessed by her prayer, but couldn't remember her name and didn't really know her beyond the level of acquaintance, though they've been sitting 15' from each other every week for 3 or 4 years! My heart was quickened all the more to seek God on how we could effectively allow the members of the body to function in their gifts and callings within the Sunday morning setting and not require them to only participate and grow in fellowship within the "home group" settings of 8 to 15 people. We have home groups and the people that participate really grow close to those dozen or so in their home group, but still know relatively little about the other 140 that they worship next to every week.
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| | 2009/1/10 14:27 | Profile | White_Stone
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| | Re: | | Hello graceamazed,
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We have home groups and the people that participate really grow close to those dozen or so in their home group, but still know relatively little about the other 140 that they worship next to every week.
Why not talk with the ones participating in the home groups and see if they would be open to setting up a traveling style group. Ask as many in the Church as would care to participate to sign up and then assign them into groups and each month switch the membership of the groups around. Then every so often, aside from the normal weekly Lord's Day worship service, get together as one large group. Or some format along those lines that encourages interaction with every member with every other member to some extent throughout the entire year. Sounds good on paper, I think. :-) Just takes a good game plan to lay out the beginning groups (think of that as lots of group prayer).
Kindly,
white stone
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| | 2009/1/10 14:39 | Profile | graceamazed
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If you have a meeting which is constituted mainly of 'strangers' this would be almost impossible.
One thought that comes to mind as it pertains to strangers in these settings would be what we see in 1 Cor. 14:24-25, "But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all; the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you." Perhaps, if the body of Christ was operating in a fuller participation of spiritual gifts, then we might see that strangers might be impacted in a powerful way by the Spirit of God.
Again, Acts 13:15 illustrates how Paul and his companions entered into the synagogue on the sabbath and listened to the reading of the Law and Prophets, then were asked to give a word of exhortation to the people, if they had one. They were strangers, and yet there was an openness for them to share in the assembly as well.
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| | 2009/1/10 14:42 | Profile | graceamazed
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Why not talk with the ones participating in the home groups and see if they would be open to setting up a traveling style group. Ask as many in the Church as would care to participate to sign up and then assign them into groups and each month switch the membership of the groups around. Then every so often, aside from the normal weekly Lord's Day worship service, get together as one large group. Or some format along those lines that encourages interaction with every member with every other member to some extent throughout the entire year. Sounds good on paper, I think
Thanks for sharing White_Stone. In the past, we've put a heavy emphasis on home group meetings, hoping to foster some of the deeper fellowship and participation that we're talking about in this thread. We've had many different approaches and structures to our home groups, including something similar to what you were describing - we structured the groups, assigned those who wanted to participate to a given group and then, after a period of time, reassigned participants to another group, so everyone could get to know and fellowship with different members. It sounded great to us on paper, but we found that it didn't work that well in practice (perhaps it would with a different body of believers?).
We've since gotten away from structuring the home groups and have allowed them to grow more organically and have a few very thriving groups, however, they encompass only a fraction of the people who meet with us on Sunday mornings. We always find ourselves saying, "I wish we could do 'this' on Sunday mornings." Perhaps there's a way we can, not by eliminating expository preaching and teaching, but by allowing some services where we operate in a more community fashion.
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| | 2009/1/10 14:58 | Profile | philologos
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Again, Acts 13:15 illustrates how Paul and his companions entered into the synagogue on the sabbath and listened to the reading of the Law and Prophets, then were asked to give a word of exhortation to the people, if they had one. They were strangers, and yet there was an openness for them to share in the assembly as well.
There was but it is plain that Paul was given particular permission and usually invited to speak. I am not sure this is what an 'open mike' suggests. How do you think the leader of the synagogue would have responded if Paul had suddenly started prophesying? ;-)
In fact the 'open mike' is showing us that we really have already outgrown the kind of pattern that was most familiar in the New Testament period. We actually use a mobile-mike in our meetings. If someone begins to prophesy or gives a testimony they just stand up and make a start. Within a second or two someone will drape a radio mike on a string around their neck. The prophecy or testimony is then audible for the whole meeting and, through an audio loop, to folks with hearing aids. It is very unobtrusive.
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