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davidt
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 Is Global Warming for real?

I have heard that there are alternatives. For instance that it is just a natural process of the earth. Or, it is the result of the birth pangs of the last days.

 2008/11/13 22:40Profile
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 Re: Is Global Warming for real?

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davidt wrote:
I have heard that there are alternatives. For instance that it is just a natural process of the earth. Or, it is the result of the birth pangs of the last days.



I lean toward "natural process". I remember reading some data from a study someone did where he plotted carbon levels on the same graph as global temperature levels. What they found was that shortly after the carbon levels peaked, the temperature came down. So much for "carbon footprints".

Another story that amused me, was where a guy found a correlation between sunspot activity, and temperature levels. Rather than pursuing a grant, and publishing a paper, the guy "put his money where his mouth is" (mind the pun), and placed bets on the weather, based on his findings. Let's just say that he cleaned up.

The real question is, what purpose would it serve anyone to promote such a thing as global warning resulting from human intervention?


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 2008/11/14 4:23Profile
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 Re: Is Global Warming for real?

I have to say that I am not sure if the changes we are seeing are natural occurances or the result of global warming, however since the book of Revelation tells us of a great many changes that are to occur in the last days I don't really see what difference it makes, since either way there is no way for man to change God's intentions.

The bible must be a terrible book for all those humanists that want to save the planet on their own since it shows them they have no control, but I just say that the Earth is in the hands of our Lord and that is where it is best.

Revelation 8 is a very interesting read, so much is said today about holes in the Ozone layers and harmfull rays from the sun getting through, but possibility of the earth being darkened by a third has not even been considered by most scientists.

Now I fully believe that we should look after our environment, in the UK during the Industrial Revelution all kinds of waste and chemicals were pumped into the air and the waters which greatly affected the health of the general population and indeed the wildlife.
These Humanists are just caught up in alot of vanity and I'm glad that it is indeed vanity. I'm convinced that God has it all in hand.

Job 38
4 “ Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.

5 Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?

6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,

7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors,
When it burst forth and issued from the womb;

9 When I made the clouds its garment,
And thick darkness its swaddling band;

10 When I fixed My limit for it,
And set bars and doors


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 2008/11/14 5:45Profile









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Is Global Warming for real?



No... not the way it is presented by kooks like Al Gore.

What is going on is cyclical. When I was in school in the late 70's/early 80's we were supposedly headed into an ice age. Now we're gonna burn up.

The polar ice caps were thicker last year than they have ever been since they started keeping records on it.

Doesnt sound like global warming to me. It's all politics & money.

** bear in mind this is my opinion **

And so what if there is global warming? It's God's earth... He is in control of it.

Krispy

 2008/11/14 7:34
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 Re: Is Global Warming for real?

No.

Below is a link to Christian Meteorologist from Ohio. 2007 was colder than previous years.

Check it out!
http://www.andrebernier.com/good_science.html

Here is a quote from the website:

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With the recent independent findings showing that the 2007 global temperature has dropped*1 0.65-0.75 degrees C in one single year (essentially wiping out one hundred years of modest rises in temperature of +0.06 degrees C per year on average) and given that January 2008 saw the second biggest snow and ice pack in the northern hemisphere*2 in recorded meteorological history, common sense should lead any good scientist to examine why.

It is no secret that I share the same conclusions as all of my meteorological colleagues here in Cleveland and around the United States: Catastrophic anthropic (man-made) global warming
is bad theory and bad (junk) science. It is unfortunate that politics and radical environmentalism has hijaked solid scientific investigation and reasoning. The already significant number of meteorologists and climatologists around the world who disagree with the IPCC conclusions is steadily growing.



 2008/11/14 8:31Profile
davidt
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 Re: Is Global Warming for real?

So I guess the general consensus is that the claim that the earth is warming due to pollution is false, not that pollution isn't harmful just not that large at this point. I wonder if this is the general conservative Christian stance? Does anyone know of any good Christian scientists that speak on this subject extensively like a Kent Hovind or something?

 2008/11/15 1:33Profile
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I don't think so, its cold here in TN this morning...we may get flurries! :-D

 2008/11/15 6:38Profile
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 Re: Is Global Warming for real?

Hi davidt...

As an undergraduate student, I interned several times at NASA Langley Research Center in Virginia. Our program utilized remote sensing satellite techology for geocentric research. Each Thursday, we attended classes taught by various NASA scientists. One of them, a highly regarded expert in the field (with two PhDs), spoke about global warming. While he admitted that there was some evidence of warming, he explained that there is much debate in the scientific community regarding the causes.

Some scientists point to variance in sunspot activity, shifts in the Earth's orbit (the Earth, as you know, revolves around the sun in a less than circular orbit), and even to shifts in the position of the magnetic north pole. This scientist, however, believes that there are other culprits to global warming. For instance, there are a series of constant fires in many third world nations. These are not small, isolated wildfires (like the ones in southern California). Rather, these are the size of states -- and are burning for months in South America, Asia and even Africa. They are typically in less populated regions where the governments don't have the means to put such fires out.

I don't believe the hysteria from Al Gore and his minions (who care more for unborn penguins than for unborn human beings). Contrary to Gore's oft-reported claims, the evidence is not beyond dispute or even overwhelming. There are multitudes of scientists who completely disagree with the scare tactics of such doomsday teachers.

My wife just reminded me that there will be some global warming in the future. Whereas secular humanists and worshippers of this Earth want to preserve it at all costs, God will one day destroy it -- with fire! Talk about "global warming!" That being said: I do believe in taking precautions to keep the planet safe and beautiful. I recycle whenever possible, and I do my best to throw away trash properly.

BTW, I found this article this afternoon. It is relevant to the discussion:

[b]The world has never seen such freezing heat[/b]
By Christopher Booker
THE TELEGRAPH
16 Nov 2008

A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.

So what explained the anomaly? GISS's computerised temperature maps seemed to show readings across a large part of Russia had been up to 10 degrees higher than normal. But when expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery. The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all. Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running.

The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures. This only made the confusion worse because, to compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year.

A GISS spokesman lamely explained that the reason for the error in the Russian figures was that they were obtained from another body, and that GISS did not have resources to exercise proper quality control over the data it was supplied with. This is an astonishing admission: the figures published by Dr Hansen's institute are not only one of the four data sets that the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) relies on to promote its case for global warming, but they are the most widely quoted, since they consistently show higher temperatures than the others.

If there is one scientist more responsible than any other for the alarm over global warming it is Dr Hansen, who set the whole scare in train back in 1988 with his testimony to a US Senate committee chaired by Al Gore. Again and again, Dr Hansen has been to the fore in making extreme claims over the dangers of climate change. (He was recently in the news here for supporting the Greenpeace activists acquitted of criminally damaging a coal-fired power station in Kent, on the grounds that the harm done to the planet by a new power station would far outweigh any damage they had done themselves.)

Yet last week's latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen's methodology has been called in question. In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s.

Another of his close allies is Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, who recently startled a university audience in Australia by claiming that global temperatures have recently been rising "very much faster" than ever, in front of a graph showing them rising sharply in the past decade. In fact, as many of his audience were aware, they have not been rising in recent years and since 2007 have dropped.

Dr Pachauri, a former railway engineer with no qualifications in climate science, may believe what Dr Hansen tells him. But whether, on the basis of such evidence, it is wise for the world's governments to embark on some of the most costly economic measures ever proposed, to remedy a problem which may actually not exist, is a question which should give us all pause for thought.

[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml]CLICK HERE[/url] to read full article.
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 16/11/2008


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 2008/11/16 17:59Profile
davidt
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Krispy,

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When I was in school in the late 70's/early 80's we were supposedly headed into an ice age. Now we're gonna burn up.


That is interesting. That reminds me of the age of the earth thing :).

 2008/11/17 19:52Profile
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Chris,

Thanks Chris I am blessed by your objective, scholarly, and wise answers on topics like this. I am always glad to see Christians who have educated themselves in such things.

 2008/11/17 19:54Profile





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