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jlosinski
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 Deity of Christ?

hello all,
I was reading through the book of Titus and noticed that Paul refers to "God our savior" and then "Christ Jesus our savior" or "Our savior Jesus Christ" (chapter 1:3,4; chaper 2:10,13; chapter 3:4,6). Would it be legitimate to use this parallel as a case for the deity of Christ? I don't want to use faulty reasoning on this one.
Your thoughts are greatly appreciated!
Joe

 2008/10/17 20:31Profile
Fuegodedios
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 Re: Deity of Christ?

Well I do know that Hebrews 1:1-14 Speaks of the Deity of christ. Plus many more scriptures

1. It speaks of his Immutabality (verse 12)
2. His Absolute Sovereignty (verse 3)

Which are two attributes given to the Father Found in Daniel 4:17,35, 1 Chronicles 29:11-12 and James 1:17 Malachi 3:6 also there is something very powerful about hebrews 1 verse 8 which says

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Jesus is called GOD by the father which proves his deity. also in John 20:28 Thomas says my Lord and my GOD. talking to Jesus that is.

It looks as if the samething is being revealed in these passages revealed here in Titus. I know this is more than what you asked but just wanted to share that with you. Be blessed Dear friend



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Demetrius

 2008/10/17 21:19Profile
sojourner7
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 Re: Deity of Christ?

Yes, what Paul was saying is that God and Christ
are One and the same Saviour; proving the Trinity
true!!


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Martin G. Smith

 2008/10/17 21:28Profile
Fuegodedios
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Amen !!


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jlosinski
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Thanks for the responses, I was just reading Hebrews and thinking how Paul was presenting Christ in the first five chapters, how awesome it it when in Chapter 6 he says

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ..."

There is so much to comprehend from that book of Hebrews. Anyone else have any thoughts on the verses I listed in Titus? Has anyone else heard of those scriptures being used to prove the deity of Christ?

 2008/10/17 23:55Profile
djjohn59
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Hi jlosinski,this is the first time that i have posted here so i hope you dont mind me adding my pennys worth.
this is a wee study by my late friend James Johnson, from Holywood county down,northern ireland, and i use it when ever i am speaking to jw.

“The Trinity”
THE FIRST DISCLOSER OF THE FACT
“PLURAL PERSONALITY” Genesis 1:1.Genesis 3:22.
“PLURAL PRONOUN” Genesis 1:26. Isaiah 6:8.
“THE PLURAL PRONOUNCEMENT” Numbers 6:24-26.
“PLURAL PRAISE” Isaiah 6:3.
OMNIPRESENCE OF THE:
“FATHER” Isaiah 57:15; Amos9:2; Jeremiah23-24.
“SON” Ephesians 1:23.
“SPIRIT” Psalm 139:7-12.
OMNISCIENCE OF THE:
“FATHER” Proverbs 15:3; Hebrews 4:13; 1John 3:20.
“SON” Colossians 2:2-3.
“SPIRIT” 1Corinthians2:10.
OMNIPOTENCE OF THE:
“FATHER” Matthew 19:26.
“SON” Philemon 3:21; Revelation 1:6.
“SPIRIT” 1Corinthians 12:8-11; Acts 5:3-4.
THE FULLER DISCLOSER OF THE FACT
ETERNITY OF THE:
“FATHER” Deuteronomy 33:27—Psalm.90:2.
“SON”. Micah 5:2--- John 1:1.
“SPIRIT”. Hebrews 9:14.
IMMUTABILITY OF THE
“FATHER” Malachi 3:6- James 1:12
“SON”. Hebrews 13:8.
“SPIRIT”. Genesis 1:2- Galatians 5:22.
DEITY OF THE:
“FATHER” Romans 1:7.
“SON” Romans 9:5.
“SPIRIT” Acts 5:3-4
THROUGH THE FULLEST DISCLOSER OF THE FACT

THE BAPTISM OF “CHRIST” Matthew 3:16-17.
THROUGH THE BAPTIM OF “CHRISTIANS” Matthew 28:19.
THROUGH THE, “BENEDICTION OF PAUL”. 2 Corinthians13:14.
THROUGH THE, “BREVITY OF John”. 1John 3:7.
“The Deity of Christ”.
“Appellations”
Divine Appellations Applied To Him.
Isaiah 7:14 with Matthew 1:23; John 1:1; Acts 10:36; Acts 20:28; Romans 9:9; 1Corinthians 2:8; 1Corinthians 15:47; Philippians 2:6; Colossians 2:9; 1Timothy 3:16; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:3; 1John 5:20.
Divine Appellations Accepted By Him.
Matthew 16:16; John 1:49; John 11:27; Deuteronomy 6:16 with Matthew 4:7; John 5:23; John 8:58; John 10:30; John 10:30; John 12:45; John 13:13-14; John 14:7-9; john 16:15.

“Attributes”
Divine Attributes Ascribed To Him.

“OMNIFICENT” John 1:3; Colossians 1:15-17.
“OMNIPOTENT” Philippians 3:21.
“OMNISCIENT” Colossian 2:3.
“OMNIPRESENT” Ephesians 1:23.
Divine Attributes Affirmed By Him.
“OMNIPOTENT” Matthew 28:18; John 5:19.
“OMNISCIENT” John 4:25-26.
“OMNIPRESENT” John 3:13; Matthew 18:20; Matthew 28:20.
Divine Attributes Accepted By Him.
“OMNIPOTENT” Matthew 4:3
“OMNISCIENCE” John 21:17.
Divine Attributes Administered By Him.
OMNIFICENT WORKS. Matthew 14:19-20.
OMNIPOTENT WORKS. Mark 2:5-12; John 11:43-44.
OMNISCIENT WORKS. Matthew 17:27.
OMNIPRESENT WORKS. Matthew 8:13.
ADORATION
Divine adoration ascribed to him.
Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 5:12-14.
Divine Adoration Accepted By Him.
LEPER. Matthew 8:2.
RULER. Matthew 9:18.
DISCIPLES. Matthew 14:33.
MOTHER. Matthew 15:25.
WOMEN. Matthew 28:9.
ASSEMBLY. Luke 24:52; Luke 1:2-3.
The Personality of the Holy Spirit.

The scriptures show clearly that the HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON, an INTELLIGENT, THOUGHTFUL, and SENSITIVE PERSON.
A GOD BEING, who is very much involved as an, equal partner, with GOD the FATHER, and GOD the SON, in all the working of THE GOD HEAD.
The Holy Spirit Is a Person and Can Be Seen From the Following;
HE HAS KNOWLEDGE TO UNDERSTANDING. 1Corinthians 2:10-11.
HE SPEAKS. Acts 13:1-3.
HE IS A TEACHER. John 14:26.
HE LEADS AND GUIDES. Romans 8:26;
HE INTERCEDES. Romans 8:26-27.
LOVES. Romans 15:30.
HE CAN BE GRIEVED. Ephesians 4:30.
A Definite Person.
Proved By His Appellations
PERSONAL PRONOUN. John 14:16-17; John 16:7-8; John 16:13-14; Acts 13:2.
Proved By His Attributes.
(Personal Noun, the Comforter. John 14:16-17)
Liable to; GRIEF. Ephesians 4:30.
VEXATION. Isaiah 63:10.
Be LIED TO. Acts 5:3.
Be INSULTED. Hebrews 10:29.
Be BLASPHEMED. Matthew 12:31.

Possesses Will. 1Corinthians 12:11
Possesses Intelligence. 1Corinthians 2:11.
Possesses Affection. Romans15:30.
Proved By His Acts.
SPEAKS. John 16:13.
TEACHES. John 14:26.
WITNESSES. Hebrews 10:15.
LEADS. Romans 8:14.
CONFLICTS. John 16:8.
REVEALS. John 16:15.
IMPARTS LIFE. Titus 3:5; 1Peter 3:18.
IMPARTS LIGHT. Acts 13:2; Acts 16:16-17.
DIVINE GIFTS. 1Corinthians 12:8-11.
FUTURE KNOWLEDGE. John 16:13; 2Peter 1:21.
MIRACULOUS `OWER. Romans 15:19
CONSCIOUSNESS OF SALVATION. Roman8:16.
IMPARTS LIFE. Titus 3:5; 1Peter 3:18.
IMPARTS LIGHT. Acts 13:2; Acts 16:16-17.
DIVINE GIFTS. 1Corinthians 12:8-11.
FUTURE KNOWLEDGE. John 16:132peter 1:21.
MIRACULOUS `OWER. Romans 15:19
CONSCIOUSNESS OF SALVATION. Roman8:16.

A Divine Person.
Proved By His Appellations.
Matthew 28:19; Acts 5:3-4; 2Corinthians 3:17-18.
Proved By His Attributes.
OMNIFICENT (All Creating) Genesis 1:2; job 26:13.
Omnipresent. (All Present) Psalm 139:7-8.
OMNISCIENT. (All Knowing) 1Corinthians 2:10-11.
ETERNAL. Hebrews 9:14.
FOR REFERENCE:
THE TRINITY ILLUSTRATED. Matthew 3:16-17; John 14:16; Hebrews 9:14.
THE HOLY SPIRIT DESCRIBED AS GOD. Acts 5:3-4.
HELL (GRAVE).
Hell / Grave. The Hebrew Word For Grave Is Queber.
The word is translated grave 34 times, sepulchre 26 times, bury place 4 times.
Note. Genesis 35:20; 1Kings 13:32; Judges 16:31; 2Samual 21:14
HELL.
The First Meaning
The Place of Dust. Genesis 42:38; Genesis 44:29-31; Psalm 6:5; Psalm 88:5; Ezekiel 32:27.

The Second Meaning.
The Place of the Dead. Genesis 37:35; Psalm 30:3; Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27.

The Third Meaning.
The Place of the Damned. Psalm 9:17; Proverbs 7:27; Isaiah 14:15; Matthew 5:29-30; Luke 16:23.
HELL.
A Future Place. Luke 16:23.
Fitted Place. Matthew 25:21.
Friendless Place. Luke 16:23.
Fiendish Place Matthew 25:41; Revelation 20:10-15.
Fameless Place Isaiah 14:9-16.
Frantic Place Matthew 13:41-42; Luke 16:24; Revelation 20:10.
Filthy Place Revelation 21:8.
Fiery Place Matthew 13:50; 2Thessolnian 1:8; Revelation 14:10.
Final Place Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 14:11; Revelation 20:10.


every blessing,
john.a












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john atkinson

 2008/10/18 0:21Profile
tmckinney
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“SON” Philemon 3:21; Revelation 1:6.

Please correct this reference.

God Bless,
Tom


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