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[size=small]For instance, whereas Noah was a mighty good ship builder, his main occupation wasn’t ship building, it was preaching. He was a terrible failure as a preacher. His wife and three children and their wives are all he had.
Seven converts in 120 years you wouldn’t call particularly effective. Most mission boards would have asked the missionaries to withdraw long before this. I say as a ship builder he did quite well, but as a preacher, he was a
failure. And then we come down across the years to another man by the name of Jeremiah. He was a might effective preacher, but ineffective as far as results were concerned. If you were to measure statistically how successful Jeremiah was, he would probably get a large cipher. For we find that he lost out with the people, he
lost out with royalty, even the ministerial association voted against him and wouldn’t have anything to do with him. He had everything fail. The only one he seemed able to please was God……but otherwise he was a distinct failure. And then we come to another well known person, the Lord Jesus Christ, who was a failure from judging
all the standards. He never succeeded in organizing a church or denomination. He wasn’t able to build a school.
He didn’t succeed in getting a mission board established. He never had a book printed. He never was able to get any of the various criteria or instruments that we find and are so useful; I’m not being sarcastic at all, they
are useful. And our Lord preached for three years, healed thousands of people, fed thousands of people, and yet when it was all over there were 120….500 to whom he could have revealed Himself after His resurrection.
And the day that He was taken, one man said, "If all the others forsake you, I’m willing to die for you." He looked at this one and said, "Peter, you don’t know your own heart. You’re going to deny me three times before the
cock crows this morning." So all men forsook Him and fled. By every standard of our generation or any
generation, our Lord was a single failure.
The question comes then to this, what is the standard of success and by what are we going to judge our lives and our ministry? And the question that you are going to ask yourself, "Is God an end or is He a means?"

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 2008/10/18 19:53
rbanks
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And then there was the day of pentecost and Peter preached his first sermon(message)and three thousand souls were saved. Not bad for a beginner who never went to seminary!

Oh what a difference the pentecostal blessing made in that fisherman's life!

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Oh what a difference the pentecostal blessing made in that fisherman's life!




And that pentecostal blessing came out of obedience and nothing more.

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That's God's business if we ever have a revival. If we have one great. I've got Him and He's got me. I want God. I'll take God and a revival or else I'll just take God. Outside of that you can never have a revival.

 2008/10/18 21:05
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And that pentecostal blessing came out of obedience and nothing more.



Use the word obedience and someone will be sure to brand you "legalistic"!:-?

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And that pentecostal blessing came out of obedience and nothing more.



Use the word obedience and someone will be sure to brand you "legalistic"!:-?

ginnyrose



That's what I like about you Sandra, your straight up! :-)

I don't mind being branded legalistic whatsoever. Faith without works is still dead.

 2008/10/18 21:26
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those disciples in that upper room had left everything upon the words of Jesus and became the outcasts of that world in their day.

They burned the bridge behind them and never looked back. That is what it's going to take in our day if we are going to experience God the way they did.

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those disciples in that upper room had left everything upon the words of Jesus and became the outcasts of that world in their day.

They burned the bridge behind them and never looked back. That is what it's going to take in our day if we are going to experience God the way they did.



Amen brother, so many times I think we focus too much on the results. I was listening to "Ten Shekels and A Shirt" today and it just hit me all over again. Jeremiah, was an effective preacher as many were but ineffective as far as results were concerned. God just wants obedience out of a pure heart and we'll leave the results to Him.

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I just wanted to throw this into the mix too. My husband and I were discussing this tonight at dinner. First of all I think it would be great if there is a revival or awakening. On the other hand scripture clearly says that there will be a falling away and my thinking is that a revival (if you want to call it that) will actually be more likely to happen when the man made church falls away from the true church. Gary Wilkerson, mentioned once that he believed the true church was going into exile. I have heard some including ministers say the day is coming when the church doors will be shut. Now that to me is an awakening. Seeing others rejecting the word of God to me is an eye opener. My husband said this would be the worse time to be fooling around with the world when were living in such perilous times and facing even greater problems. It seems the falling away will happen all at once because the way it is discribed by that word alone is that it's much different than backslidding.

I don't want to see anyone fall away but I feel like if your going to serve satan than serve him. If your going to serve God than serve Him with all your heart and get off the fence.

I'm actually looking forward to the falling away. It's sad but they were never truly saved to begin with and it's bound to happen. I really feel like that is when we will finally have revival. Persecution and suffering brings revival. Just take a look at China or anywhere else where revival is happening.

Also I really don't like calling it a revival, I like to use the word awakening. The word revival to me has been so abused and it brings in so many connotations and ideas about how it's supposed to happen. To be awakened is enough. If there are signs, wonders and healings than great.







 2008/10/19 20:44
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Revival only happens to the remnant



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I'm actually looking forward to the falling away. It's sad but they were never truly saved to begin with and it's bound to happen



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