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 Gods Judgement on President Bush

I posted this piece below on my website on Friday. It is very important that Christians see the larger context to this "crisis," and extract themsleves from partisan politics. It is time for us to lead and not fall in lock-step with these little men. If we follow them, we will follow them right into a ditch.........

In Sept 2005 I wrote this prophecy the Lord gave me about President Bush. The point of the word was that President Bush had dragged Christians into the mire of politics for personal gain. People did not like it, it was not a popular word. Not exactly the way to make friends and influence people, but the Lord gave me the word………

"Finally in Isa 22 Shebna is judged. Who is Shebna? He is the ruler of the countries resources, the man appointed by the king to run the country. He is a man of pride, given to pomp and a lover of his position. The honor and the legacy so dearly sought by Shebna slipped through his fingers like fine sand, all his attempts to hold on to it failed. He is also described as “The Nail,” in Isa 22:25. This nail represents his position. It is driven into the wall and all manner of things are placed on the nail. And so the Lord would say………………

The nail is the President, who thinks he is in a sure place. This is a warning to the Church. All who hang their hopes on this nail will fall when the nail falls.You flatterers burdened the nail, you burdened down the nail with your hopes and your dreams and your expectations that all belonged before my throne so I will bring down the nail and all that hangs on it. Leprosy for Shebna , he will be “tossed like a ball,” from the Valley of Vision because of pride and the contempt of the people. His legacy will be one of shame. "

I just want to re-iterate what the Lord said to the Church. I see the church , incredibly, hanging on to politics for dear life, whether it is with Sarah Palin or whoever. Do you want to put your trust and security in your Government? Republicans? Democrats? Institutions? I wrote down this word the Lord gave me in September of 2006 and sent it out………………

"So the judgment that is coming upon us is the destruction of our institutions and national leadership. They will be exposed, as Lamentations describes, once elegant and well dressed leaders are now “blacker than soot with their skin shriveled.” The false prophets will wander blind. Our standing in the community will be all but lost. Now, it is important to draw a distinction here. If one stands for the truth and is hated by the world, then this is to be expected and God is well pleased. If we lose our standing in the world because of our sin, then God is not pleased because we do violence to the Kingdom of God."

Today, most of the financial institutions are swept away. In an astounding move that caps an unprecedented few months, the Government has just authorized the single biggest re-distribution of wealth this country has ever seen. In a fell swoop the size of the Government has increased beyond our imagination. The tax payer will now have his money taken from him to cover the losses of Wall Street. This is what happens in socialist countries. Now why did this happen? There are countless reasons and enough blame to go around, but the abiding reason is judgment on President Bush , Shebna, and his followers. How sad that it was Christians who ushered this in. They ushered it in and brought this upon the man and the country by putting their trust in Politics, in Washington, in their bankbooks.

The Lord has just shown us that He can sweep that all away in a heartbeat. The people that have taught that you are entitled to be wealthy, by the mere fact that you are a Christian, will have some hard days ahead of them. In fact, the whole sickness of the entitlement “mindset,” is being dealt with. God is not finished with this nation, yet, He will not always strive with it. When God chastens, we can humble ourselves under His mighty hand and we will be ushered back into His presence. If we become stiff-necked and insist that our security lies in our politicians and our pocketbooks, then God will judge our politicians and our pocketbooks.

When I saw President Bush stand there and speak yesterday and this morning, I have never seen such a humiliated person. To have to announce policy’s in front of the whole world, which diametrically oppose everything he stands for, is the severest of judgments. Literally having to eat your words. We should fear the judgments of the Lord, He is to be feared.

Shebna had to be removed, so that Eliakim could be set up. Shebna represents the man of flesh. He thinks he is secure, he thinks he is prominent, he thinks he is glorious, he is puffed up by pride. Eliakim represents Jesus. When the American Christians step away from the flesh and raise up the name of Jesus, they will be restored. And what will be restored? The true treasures of heaven. When all around are in a blind panic, the man of God will be at peace. When all wail with despair because they have lost everything, the man of God will know that the day he accepted Jesus He gained everything. When all wonder where their next meal will come from, the man of God knows ……………………….

24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

 2008/9/23 9:48

 Re: Gods Judgement on President Bush

Unfortunately I dont put much stock in these kinds of prophecies. Not defending Bush by any means... I just think this financial crisis is simply God fulfilling His own agenda. There is talk all around the world right now about getting the world on one currency.

Bush is just a pawn in God's plan.


 2008/9/23 10:17


Hi Krispy

Its not about putting stock in anything, and in these days you are wise not to put much stock in anyone who claims that the Lord speaks to them. The sad thing is, and I am not saying this is you, for I do not know you, is that people who do not put a lot of stock "in these things," tend to put a lot of stock in what men of the world say, politics. Which is the whole point of the Frank

 2008/9/23 11:52


Oh I agree with you on that one, Frank.


 2008/9/23 12:05

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Could it be this financial crisis is the result
of having forgotten what is printed on our own
currency; IN GOD WE TRUST!!

Martin G. Smith

 2008/9/23 13:42Profile


"IN GOD WE TRUST" Amen. This is the point of the post. It will require repentence from the Body of Christ who put their trust in Governement and who thought that this particular President was going to solve all of their problems. Christian leaders were also reponsible for this as they led their people down this path. My main concern is with the Body of Christ, not so much the world. I would expect to see the "world," panic if they were(and are still possibly) facing the loss of thie pocketbooks. What I would expect from the Body of Christ is a people at peace in their Lord, a people who know in their hearts that all of their secutity lies in the Lord. That is why the Lord told us to consider the Lillies of the field and told us not to be anxious for the clothes on our back and the food on our table...........Frank

 2008/9/23 14:04

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 Re: Gods Judgement on President Bush

Hi appoulus...

No offense, but I think that there is a whole lot of speculation going on here. It is almost as if you have "inside knowledge" of the President and his heart in regard to this. I would highly recommend that you refrain from declaring this a "prophecy" unless there is no doubt that it comes from God himself (rather than your own intellect or understanding). Why? There is quite a bit of conjecture.

You make bold statements that cannot be confirmed -- even if you had a face-to-face meeting with the President. Plus you make claims such as "[i]Today, most of the financial institutions are swept away[/i]." Really? Most? The bank that I use may not be perfect...but it doesn't seem phased by the housing situation.

I really fear that we seem to have a bad sense of [i]cause and effect[/i]. We tend to think that Hurricane Katrina was God's judgment on sinful acts that occur in New Orleans -- even though most of the people who passed away were the poor, crippled and elderly who were far removed from the spirit of downtown Mardi Gras. We fail to consider that the Hurricane might have just been a bad scenario that has been warned for nearly 50 years because of New Orleans' location (below sea level at the base of the Mississippi delta). We do the same nearly every time a bank fails, people die, or an earthquake occurs. For every natural disaster that takes place in a "sinful" area, there are many more that hit other more "innocent" places. Yet we focus on the former because they fit our own personal ideas regarding God's judgment.

Perhaps this bank situation is due to God's judgment. Or perhaps it is due to some bad decisions on behalf of borrowers and loaners who were bad with both math and payment deadlines. Regardless, I fear that we are doing the same thing that the disciples did when they asked about the cause of the young man's blindness in John chapter 9. Or are we trying to connect the dots between sin and destruction -- like those who wondered if the people crushed by the Tower of Siloam were sinful, and that their sin had led to their destruction (Luke 13).

However, I think that it is premature and perhaps a bit unwise to lay such an accusation at the President (or at the Lord -- by claiming that He gave you a "word" that might not have even come from His mouth). I just think that we should be extremely careful and prayerful before uttering such things. It would be a terrible thing to find ourselves guilty of "bearing false witness."



 2008/9/23 14:05Profile


Hi Chris

A couple of points. I do claim that the Lord gave me this, I included a couple of words the Lord gave me a few years ago. If you do not accpet that the Lord gave me those words, or that God does not speak to His people, there is not much I could or would want to do about that. If the Lord gives me a word of knowledge, it is His word not mine. I learned a long time ago not defend what is not mine. As for your bank still operating, there is a reason for that Chris. My wife and I are both in the banking world, and anyone else on the forum, feel free to give Chris some advice. The reason that your bank is still operating is because the Government stepped in on Thursday night and Friday morning. The banks had ceased to lend to each other and the promise of a trillion $$$ injection is what "saved the day." The ramifications of what they did and are now trying to establish this week are massive and the system that you had last week now no longer exists. But I believe that is a digression. The point of the thread is that it is vital that Christians turn to God and trust in Him alone. Perhaps we disagree on whether God speaks to His people, thats fine I am more than willing to accept that. Its very important that just because of the Todd Bentleys of the world that we do not throw out the baby with the bathwater. I have been around this forum long enough for people to know me. In all of my posts, there have only been a very few where I have shared a "word of knowledge."

Last point, I think it is high time that we wake up. The tone of your reply Chris was that everything is fine and this is just a blip in the road and that really its not connected to anything in the heavenlies. Perhaps many share your view, I would respectfully disagree....your brother in Christ...........Frank

 2008/9/23 14:20


I really fear that we seem to have a bad sense of cause and effect. We tend to think that Hurricane Katrina was God's judgment on sinful acts that occur in New Orleans -- even though most of the people who passed away were the poor, crippled and elderly who were far removed from the spirit of downtown Mardi Gras. We fail to consider that the Hurricane might have just been a bad scenario that has been warned for nearly 50 years because of New Orleans' location (below sea level at the base of the Mississippi delta). We do the same nearly every time a bank fails, people die, or an earthquake occurs. For every natural disaster that takes place in a "sinful" area, there are many more that hit other more "innocent" places. Yet we focus on the former because they fit our own personal ideas regarding God's judgment.

I agree... what was Hurricane Ike? God's judgement on Galveston? Why doesnt God send a Hurricane up to Utah and wipe out the polygamist?


 2008/9/23 14:40

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Posts: 4646


Hi Frank...

I think that you misunderstand me. I certainly believe that the Lord still speaks. I even believe in prophecy. However, I hesitate to accept your words as such (even though you might truly believe that they came directly from God). But I wonder: Why would God give you such a "word?" If He did give it to you, what did you do about it? Did you attempt to speak with the President? Did you write to him a letter and let him know what you thought? Did you write letters to bankers and CEOs of major banking organizations? Or did you sit on those words?

I do believe that God speaks today. Believe me: The Lord has spoken to me in the past with shocking clarity -- specifics that came to pass. Yet I am hesitant to accept a "word" that points the finger at the President or conjects that he was "humiliated" during his speech. It just seems that many of the "words" that people receive today are short on specifics. The potential housing bubble was discussed at great length in one of my Macroeconomic classes as an undergrad! This was not "prophecy." It was cause and effect. It doesn't bode well for banks that give risky loans to people who cannot adequately repay them. It doesn't bode well for a city to be built below sea level in an area prone to high sea surge from hurricanes. It doesn't bode well for a stock market based upon futures that aren't proven to work (such as the "tech bubble" burst of 1999-2000).

When God pours out his judgment, does he rely on statistical probability? Or does His judgment occur in supernatural ways? I don't think that anyone in Egypt assumed that the plagues were anything except supernatural acts. The Israelites who saw their sinful neighbors swallowed up by the ground in an area void of earthquakes probably knew that this was God's judgment. The judgment of God during the period of His Wrath (recorded in Revelation) will be unexplainable. Yet today, we pass off natural disasters and foreseeable financial issues as the result of God's judgment. But there is a difference between judgment and God's ability to use a natural situation to humble a people or draw men unto Him.

I remember hearing about a meeting at Times Square Church. During a quiet time during worship, a person in the congregation loudly uttered a "Thus saith the Lord” type of “word from God" (verbatim). After this person finished, quite a few people clapped as though God had spoken aloud to the people. Brother Wilkerson came to the microphone. He politely rebuked the person who spoke the “word.” Wilkerson asked something to the effect, “[i]At this time in history, at this meeting, on this day: This is what God has to say[/i]?!? [i]God is supposedly going to possess the mouth of a person – and that is all He has to say[/i]?!?”

Brother, I am not saying that I don’t believe what you said. It might have indeed been embarrassing for the President to announce this expensive bank institutional bailout. But to claim without doubt that this is the effect of God’s judgment on the President? Hmmm…you would think that the Lord could direct His judgment on the President in a personal way without affecting millions of Americans who have purchased homes with bad loans. More importantly, don’t you think that it is a bit conjectural to somehow act as though you know the inner thoughts or views of the President?

This is just something to think about. I mean nothing in a sense to offend. As for my bank: They didn’t hand out many of these type of predatory or dangerous loans. They put out a report via email six months ago saying how they were coping in view of the situation that other banks were facing.


 2008/9/23 14:55Profile

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