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| | Re: | | It's a good thing that he has made the admission and at least is not living a lie any more. This is a new beginning. But the next is a step in the wrong direction, away from the truth and from the Lord.
In fact, what does "I am gay" mean? It means that you don't feel remorse over it. That YOU accept YOURSELF as such, even though PEOPLE may not accept you. It means willfully blaspheming the Holy Spirit and turning your back on the Lord, who is altogether absent from your consideration.
I am not familiar with the man or his work, but how sad that he cannot see the apparent contradiction in his admission. Admitting your sin is one thing, forsaking it is another. Of course, he has sinned and he is a sinner--as all have sinned--and we don't expect him to assert that in his flesh there is anything good. But that is why Christ died, so that the flesh might be put to death and we should not obey its lusts any more.
How few people today know the meaning of the word "repentance"! And it is the beginning and foundation of the Christian life. |
|  2008/9/17 7:30 | | crsschk
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| | Re: | | Must be brief but I have some misgivings over the earlier rant yesterday. Lacking prayer and in fact should have been praying rather than just spouting off is my confession. I was very tempted to edit it wholesale but it serves as a reminder ...
This is an issue of one thing primarily; [i]Sin[/i]. And it is a specific one here with tentacles branching off of it. My contention is that the matter gets cloudy when we begin to go off subject and start bringing in comparables, others sins, our sins, whether or not we should be judging etc. etc.
The reason I do not have a great deal of empathy\sympathy is because I do not find anywhere in Scripture nor among Brethren that I should be coddled in my sin. We all have struggles with temptation and sin and the very last thing we need is an affirmation in it and acceptance of it. As was pointed out in one instance equivalent ...
[i]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.[/i]
The scriptures flood the mind;
You have not resisted to the point of shedding blood. If your hand, your eye causes you to sin ... deny yourself and perhaps just this one comment from the article;
I had a lot of questions [about faith], but at the bottom of everything was a feeling that I didnt hate myself anymore, so in that sense I felt closer to God.
Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, [u]and his own life also[/u], he cannot be my disciple.
A Christian does not [i]quit[/i]. Does not capitulate to the enemy. Does not seek to find deliverance by going to a Church of Satan ... That is one which turns the truth of God on it's head and affirms people in their sin. No. Wrong is wrong and falsehood is false, it will ever be so.
Krispy is dead on the point earlier and honest enough to state it - It is the crux of the whole argument ultimately, just what we would do short of being kept ... Resistance, endurance, [i]death[/i] to our 'self'. This is a battleground not a playground ...
The reason for the mentions of the messages earlier is just to gain some perspective - They are tremendously challenging and rightly comparable .. I could but pray for a hearing ...
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| | 2008/9/17 8:37 | Profile | PaulWest
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| | Re: | | Yes, I believe Steve is right. Imagine if we all gave into our hedonistic passions even for a moment. Many of us have, since conversion, though behind closed doors and we immediately felt the effects of a decimated conscience. For some of us, the pain involved was too much to bear...and it drove us back to Jesus in tears, with confessions and repentance.
We all have failed God in private. Each and every day our minds are assailed by impure thoughts, selfish impulses, tempatations to deny God and just cave into sin. Hopefully we learn from previous failures that the price of giving into a momentary pleasure is grossly inproportionate to the pangs of grief and agony we expeience from our lacerated consciences. God will allow us to fail over and over and over again until we at last learn [i]there is nothing good within ourselves and the flesh can never be improved[/i]. Perhaps this is something that this singer (I have no idea who he is - I have been totally out of touch with commercial Christiandom for years) is going through to reach this conclusion. If it is, this is the greatest blessing that could happen to him...if it leads to godly sorrow and repentance. But if he is only going public about it to "confirm" God's alleged sanction of this sin upon his life, this is another story. In any case, it's not the homosexuality that matters in this case - it's a deeper cause. Down deep somewhere there's an unaxed root still bringing forth this kind of fruit. The root was never dealt with in the right way, it's toxic fruit never feared.
The best way to inoculate oneself against a poison is to ingest a little bit of it over a period of time...with increasing dosages. This is what people do with allergy shots, booster shots, vaccinations - the key is to introduce a weakened, yet "live specimen" to the system (the scientific word for this is 'attenuation') and let the body build up it's own immunity to it. Increase the specimen's strength, and the body gradually increases its own resistance, until finally, one day, you can introduce an unattentuated full-strength virus or allergen or toxin and the body can effectively fight it off.
Satan knew about vaccinations before Louis Pasteur, I can assure you. If the root is not dealt with, the fruit will continue...but in very small, hidden amounts. The mind becomes slowly desensitized, and eventually accepts it in small dosages. It's like a reverse vaccination; here instead we have the toxin breaking [i]us[/i] down, and conditioning [i]us[/i] to recieve more and more of the influence until finally it unlods its loathsome tentacles inside us, full bloom. By then we are gripped, strangled, inoculated, we believe the lie, we are handed over to the subverter.
Doctors tell us to take [i]all the antibiotic[/i] when we have an infection, and this is so we don't stop half-way through killing the bugs and allow them to regroup and build a resistance to that specific weapon. In the same way we are told to [i]flee[/i] youthful lusts by the Word of God for a good reason. We are told to mortifiy indwelling sin by the Spirit of God. It is crucial that we never stop this business of mortification; we can't ever stop the treatment and just sit down and relax. Especially once we've begun God's prescibed treatment and have begun mortification therapy. If we do, sin, like baceria, will be afforded a chance to build a resistance and wound our mind, and bring the weapons we have been using to nought. Sin is oppurtunistic! It creeps. This is why we must quarantine our dear infected brethren like the inspired Apostle Paul taught by the Spirit.
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| | 2008/9/17 9:21 | Profile | ACcrawford
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I have to die to myself daily on a number of different things. Lust of the eyes being one of them. Most Christian men won't admit they struggle with this, but hey... I'll be honest about it. I do!
___, - - - I agree with you Enid, and with you KK Homosexuality is the only sin in the eyes of God that is an abomination. Who are we to judge God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
What is the difference between a Homosexual and a Prostitute?
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| | 2008/9/17 9:38 | Profile |
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What is the difference between a Homosexual and a Prostitute?
Lipstick...?
(Just kidding! A little political humor there...)
There isnt any difference as far as both being lost and needing God grace and forgiveness.
However lets keep in mind that scripture says several times that homosexuality is something that is very much against nature itself, in other words: against creation. From this we can derive that God never intended for the human body to do homosexual acts. Whereas the prostitute is committing moral sin, but not "acts against nature".
Romans 1:26 [i]For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature...[/i]
Also, homosexuality is mentioned in scripture as something that God turns a person over to... indicating that God has said "Enough! If this is what you want... this is what you get...". I'm not saying every homosexual is a person who God has turned over to their own lusts, but I do believe most are. Otherwise, why would God say that?
Romans 1:24 [i]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves...[/i]
And while God was pretty descriptive about how He perceived sin... homosexuality seems to get a greater degree of attention than most other sins... indicating that it is of particular abhorrance to Him.
Romans 1:24 [i]Wherefore God also gave them up to [b]uncleanness[/b] through the lusts of their own hearts, to [b]dishonour[/b] their own bodies between themselves...[/i]
Romans 1:26 [i]For this cause God gave them up unto [b]vile[/b] affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature...[/i]
Romans 1:27 [i]And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is [b]unseemly[/b], and receiving in themselves that [b]recompence[/b] of their error which was meet.[/i]
Living an unrepentent life no matter what the sin will end you up in hell. We all agree on that. We also all agree that any homosexual can be saved by the grace of God. We also all agree that like any other sinner saved by Grace... the homosexual will have to die to himself daily, take up his cross and follow Christ.
But my point with this post is that yes, God does seem to have a particular hatred for homosexuality over other sins. Homosexuality is an idicator that the person, as well as society is extremely sin sick and very close to judgement and cursing from God.
If you study history and look at how other great societies fell... they generally fell from the inside. Usually in those great societies they fell into sexual decadence as their society and culture began to deteroriate. One of the last things to come on the scene and gain popularity in those cultures just before they went under... was homosexuality.
I dont think that is a coincidence.
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| | 2008/9/17 11:42 | | ACcrawford
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What is the difference between a Homosexual and a Prostitute?
KK, the question was not based on any such act, but sin itself and it being an abomination in the eyes of God. KK you like to expand on the sin of Homosexuality as being the greater sin, but again my question to you, is "What is the difference between a Homosexual and a Prositute"?
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| | 2008/9/17 11:54 | Profile | MaryJane
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| | Re: | | Greetings ACcrawford
Not to step in and answer for Krispy but he did actually answer your question if you read his post. He stated......
There isnt any difference as far as both being lost and needing God grace and forgiveness.
However lets keep in mind that scripture says several times that homosexuality is something that is very much against nature itself, in other words: against creation. From this we can derive that God never intended for the human body to do homosexual acts. Whereas the prostitute is committing moral sin, but not "acts against nature".
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I meant to add that I am praying for Ray Boltz to see the sin that he is now embracing as such and that he will repent and return to the Lord. It is sad to see someone who has written such beautiful music fall away and be deceived.
God Bless
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| | Re: | | sin is insanity.
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| | 2008/9/17 13:00 | Profile | crsschk
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We all have failed God in private. Each and every day our minds are assailed by impure thoughts, selfish impulses, temptations to deny God and just cave into sin. Hopefully we learn from previous failures that the price of giving into a momentary pleasure is grossly inproportionate to the pangs of grief and agony we expeience from our lacerated consciences. God will allow us to fail over and over and over again until we at last learn there is nothing good within ourselves and the flesh can never be improved. Perhaps this is something that this singer (I have no idea who he is - I have been totally out of touch with commercial Christiandom for years) is going through to reach this conclusion. If it is, this is the greatest blessing that could happen to him...if it leads to godly sorrow and repentance. But if he is only going public about it to "confirm" God's alleged sanction of this sin upon his life, this is another story. In any case, it's not the homosexuality that matters in this case - it's a deeper cause. Down deep somewhere there's an unaxed root still bringing forth this kind of fruit. The root was never dealt with in the right way, it's toxic fruit never feared.
Well said Paul, all of what you said here, This is still vexing me - There is a collision of contradictions that just cannot be. We can not have it both ways, something or Someone has to be denied in the process. I am just as unsure whether it is the [i]church[/i] that is more aggravating then what this ... man has allowed himself to be deluded into, likely it is equal - To find an outlet of acceptance that soothes the conscience and makes it "Okay" to have both sin and Christ. God forbid.
You just do not up and end your marriage to satisfy your lust's ... the discussions and turmoil we have had here over just the issue of remarriage and divorce alone, multiple pages on multiple postings and yet somehow when it turns to the homosexual there is this strange equivocating even if it is but subtle.
This is utterly selfish, to the core. It gives the world a decidedly poor example and a very wrong proscription of what a Christian [i]is[/i], what it means, what it [i]demands[/i].
There is also the matter of music itself here. There is something about being emotionally toyed with, manipulated by it, even deceived by it that shouldn't be overlooked.
I am just as well praying for him, but I am praying that he might be made absolutely [i]miserable[/i] and full of shame and conviction that leads him right back into 'the closet' and to suffering if he must - So be it. Welcome to the club, just like the rest of us who are fighting on day after day striving against sin ...
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