I watched the video. (I knew it would trash something) and here is a video of poonen.
Poonen is lopsided in that he emphasizes the false prophet.
Most of poonens indictment indict himself. His error is emphasizing the faults of other ministers.

Go watch that same video again and notice 1/2 of it he grandises and promotes himself.

think about it. Poonen will have to promote himself to distance himself away from his own indictments.

(they do this and that. But look at me. I am as spotless as Jesus himself)
Do you see how poonens very words expose his own error? He is obcessed with the faults of other ministries! (error by emphasis)

This will be more and more prevalent as this "exposing " ministries evolve.

wigglesworth said it best;

""To another discerning of spirits" (1 Cor. 12:10). There is a vast difference between natural discernment and spiritual. When it comes to natural discernment you will find many people loaded with it, and they can see so many faults in others. To such the words of Christ in the sixth chapter of Luke surely apply, "Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" If you want to manifest natural discernment, focus the same on yourself for at least twelve months and you will see so many faults in yourself that you will never want to fuss about the faults of another. In the sixth of Isaiah we read of the prophet being in the presence of God and he found that even his lips were unclean and everything was unclean. But praise God, there is the same live coal for us today, the baptism of fire, the perfecting of the heart, the purifying of the mind, the regeneration of the spirit. How important it is that the fire of God shall touch our tongues."



David

Paul said,"who is trashing who's salvation"?


Read Toms words

"I think that I would not want to be in His shoes on judgement day. God knows."


David

Paul said,

"I can't hear about the boasts of Wigglesworth and Lake and Woodworth-Etter from men who themselves know absolutely nothing about the way of God and the cross, of death to self-will and the sharing in the fellowship of the sufferings of Christ. It's all an annoying clamour, clouds without rain."

Are you sure about that? Absolutely nothing?


More shotgun indictments

David

By J. Lee Grady
Charisma Magazine



Before he died in 2003, the revered father of the Word-Faith movement corrected his spiritual sons for going to extremes with their message of prosperity.

Charismatic Bible teacher Kenneth Hagin Sr. is considered the father of the so-called prosperity gospel. The folksy, self-trained “Dad Hagin” started a grass-roots movement in Oklahoma that produced a Bible college and a crop of famous preachers including Kenneth Copeland, Jerry Savelle, Charles Capps, Jesse DuPlantis, Creflo Dollar and dozens of others—all of whom teach that Christians who give generously should expect financial rewards on this side of heaven.

Hagin taught that God was not glorified by poverty and that preachers do not have to be poor. But before he died in 2003 and left his Rhema Bible Training Center in the hands of his son, Kenneth Hagin Jr., he summoned many of his colleagues to Tulsa to rebuke them for distorting his message. He was not happy that some of his followers were manipulating the Bible to support what he viewed as greed and selfish indulgence.



Those who were close to Hagin Sr. say he was passionate about correcting these abuses before he died. In fact, he wrote a brutally honest book to address his concerns. The Midas Touch was published in 2000, a year after the infamous Tulsa meeting.

“Kenneth Hagin Sr. was not happy that some of his followers were manipulating the Bible to support what he viewed as greed and selfish indulgence.”

Many Word-Faith ministers ignored the book. But in light of the recent controversy over prosperity doctrines, it might be a good idea to dust it off and read it again.

Here are a few of the points Hagin made in The Midas Touch:

1. Financial prosperity is not a sign of God’s blessing. Hagin wrote: “If wealth alone were a sign of spirituality, then drug traffickers and crime bosses would be spiritual giants. Material wealth can be connected to the blessings of God or it can be totally disconnected from the blessings of God.”

2. People should never give in order to get. Hagin was critical of those who “try to make the offering plate some kind of heavenly vending machine.” He denounced those who link giving to getting, especially those who give cars to get new cars or who give suits to get new suits. He wrote: “There is no spiritual formula to sow a Ford and reap a Mercedes.”

3. It is not biblical to “name your seed” in an offering. Hagin was horrified by this practice, which was popularized in faith conferences during the 1980s. Faith preachers sometimes tell donors that when they give in an offering they should claim a specific benefit to get a blessing in return. Hagin rejected this idea and said that focusing on what you are going to receive “corrupts the very attitude of our giving nature.”

4. The “hundredfold return” is not a biblical concept. Hagin did the math and figured out that if this bizarre notion were true, “we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!” He rejected the popular teaching that a believer should claim a specific monetary payback rate.

5. Preachers who claim to have a “debt-breaking” anointing should not be trusted. Hagin was perplexed by ministers who promise “supernatural debt cancellation” to those who give in certain offerings. He wrote in The Midas Touch: “There is not one bit of Scripture I know about that validates such a practice. I’m afraid it is simply a scheme to raise money for the preacher, and ultimately it can turn out to be dangerous and destructive for all involved.”

(Many evangelists who appear on Christian television today use this bogus claim. Usually they insist that the miraculous debt cancellation will occur only if a person “gives right now,” as if the anointing for this miracle suddenly evaporates after the prime time viewing hour. This manipulative claim is more akin to witchcraft than Christian belief.)

Hagin condemned other hairbrained gimmicks designed to trick audiences into emptying their wallets. He was especially incensed when a preacher told his radio listeners that he would take their prayer requests to Jesus’ empty tomb in Jerusalem and pray over them there—if donors included a special love gift. “What that radio preacher really wanted was more people to send in offerings,” Hagin wrote.

Thanks to the recent resurgence in bizarre donation schemes promoted by American charismatics, the prosperity gospel is back under the nation’s microscope. It’s time to revisit Hagin’s concerns and find a biblical balance.

Hagin told his followers: “Overemphasizing or adding to what the Bible actually teaches invariably does more harm than good.” If the man who pioneered the modern concept of biblical prosperity blew the whistle on his own movement, wouldn’t it make sense for us to listen to his admonition?


J. Lee Grady
Editor
Charisma Magazine

I have heard hundreds of messages given by Kenneth Hagin in the 70's and 80's. Brother Hagin was a man of integrity. While I do not agree with all of his teaching, I am thankful for his life and ministry.

Mike

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Bottom line,

If you want to discuss Hagins shortfall or errror.

Give a direct quote from the man,prove your point.
But anyone wants to trash the man on an across the board basis.......You need to put yourself under the same microscope.......and people like poonen.

Start a thread on Poonens errors and watch the wrath of his followers fall on your head.

I happen to like Hagen,and dislike most of the Hagin clones.

If we are going to criticise,lets do it with fact?

"To another discerning of spirits" (1 Cor. 12:10). There is a vast difference between natural discernment and spiritual. When it comes to natural discernment you will find many people loaded with it, and they can see so many faults in others. To such the words of Christ in the sixth chapter of Luke surely apply, "Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" If you want to manifest natural discernment, focus the same on yourself for at least twelve months and you will see so many faults in yourself that you will never want to fuss about the faults of another. In the sixth of Isaiah we read of the prophet being in the presence of God and he found that even his lips were unclean and everything was unclean. But praise God, there is the same live coal for us today, the baptism of fire, the perfecting of the heart, the purifying of the mind, the regeneration of the spirit. How important it is that the fire of God shall touch our tongues.


David

I think Poonen says it best when he shares about preaching healing, Jesus never preached one single sermon on healing, he healed thousands, but never preached on it, today we have thousands preaching healing, not many actually doing it.

Jesus message was much different from Hagins,

Here are two messages i want you to take time to listen to David,

[url=http://artkatzministries.org/decade-of-the-nineties-1-of-3/]Decade of the nineties part 1 by Art Katz[/url]

[url=http://artkatzministries.org/decade-of-the-nineties-2-of-3/]decade of the nineties part 2 by Art Katz[/url]


especially part two Katz shares about the signs and power vs the doctrine and discerning in the last days.

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It would appear acccording to the word that signs and wonders are the test of Gods presence.


1Nebuchadnezzar the king, unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.

2I thought it good to shew the signs and wonders that the high God hath wrought toward me.

3How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.




29And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,

30By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.

31And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

32And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common



3Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.


Three of many many instances where signs and wonders followed true believers

Do they follow us? Are we true believers?

David

"I think Poonen says it best when he shares about preaching healing, Jesus never preached one single sermon on healing, he healed thousands, but never preached on it, today we have thousands preaching healing, not many actually doing it."

Jesus said that "he that has seen me has seen the Father". (John 14:9).

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19).

So Jesus never preached a sermon on healing, yet He only did the will of the Father, and He healed the sick.

Jesus also said that those that believe in Him would do the same works that He did and greater, because He would be going to the Father.

Healing is a inseperable part of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

If you don't believe this then you will not experience this in your life, but if you do believe that healing is for today, then you will not only recieve healing, but you will be praying for people to be healed, and bearing fruit in this area.

Mike

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