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 Re: Desperate Prayer


The initial words of the message entitled “Desperate Prayer for Desperate Times” by Richard Owen Roberts:

“Are we talking about reality or nonsense when we talk about revival? If you could believe the majority in the Church, we are talking both about something unneeded and something impossible.
One of the great hindrances to revival is evangelism.
We have pronounced as converts millions upon millions of people who were never converted from anything, who only learnt to add a few new words to their vocabulary but their love of self and love of sin is unchanged and yet many of them are in the pulpits of the land today.
And every time we add another convert of this stature we lessen the possibility of a Royal work of grace in our midst.
Evangelism is what we attempt to do for God
Revival is what God does for us.”


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[b]An Urgent Proclamation to the Church in America
A Call to SOLEMN ASSEMBLY (Joel 1:14)[/b]

[u][b]Whereas:[/b][/u]

Our Sovereign God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ has commanded all people everywhere to repent of sin. He requires all men and nations to believe the Gospel, worship Him & obey His eternal Law. He has promised to bless those nations which obey Him but to curse those which do not (Gen 1:1; Lev 26; Dt 28; Ps 9:17; Is 45:5-7; 24:12; Acts 17:30-31).

Our Forefathers shed their blood to leave us a heritage of faith, religious freedom, political liberty & material blessing (Lk 12:48).

God Himself has blessed our nation with every possible benefit (Dt 28:1-13; Josh 24:13; Ps 33:12; Is 5:4).

Our Generation has been entrusted to steward this heritage and pass it on, unsquandered, to our children (Dt 4:31; Neh 4:14; Pr 13:22; Lam 1:16; Mal 4:6; 2 Cor 12:14).

As God's People, the Church, we are called to be a peculiar people who love God with all our hearts, live distinctively holy lives, train our families in Godliness, witness to our neighbors & disciple our countrymen in the ways of God. We "are the salt of the earth & the light of the world (Dt 6:5-9; Mt 5:13- 16).

As a Prophetic People we are called to care for the spiritual condition of our country, to pray for all, to protect the weak, to seek justice for the innocent, to defend the poor; but equally to resist the oppressor, rebuke the disobedient & urgently warn the spiritually negligent (be they kings, priests or common men) of the dangers and judgments awaiting those who refuse to repent & turn to the living God (Ps 94:16; Is 56:10-11; Eze 3:17-19; Dan 11:32; Amos 3:7-8; 5:24).

As a People of the Word we are called to build our nation & its God-given institutions upon the righteous foundations of His eternal Law lest we be overtaken by wicked ideologies & fall prey to the control of profane & depraved men (Ps 11:3; 33:12; 127:1; Pr 14:34; Lk 6:47-49; 1 Cor 3:11-13).

As Free Christian Citizens we are called to establish righteous civil government: to pray, vote, boldly proclaim God,s Word in the public square and openly support & elect Godly officials. We are charged to publicly denounce, withstand & defeat officials who despoil our Godly heritage or defy God,s eternal law by their public actions or private behavior (Ex 18:21; Dt 18:15, 18-20; Pr 28:4; 29:2; Is 33:22; 59:14; Eze 33:1-11).

However, we have forsaken our First Love. We, our families, our churches and our spiritual & political leaders have turned our backs on Him. We have grown lukewarm & indifferent to sin. We have tolerated and even participated in the dominant evils of our sin-filled age. We have disdained our Godly Forefathers by forfeiting their costly legacy and defrauded our children by wasting their inheritance. We have despised our Nation,s Founders by passively permitting the true record of their faith, vision & sacrifice (His-story) to be maliciously rewritten & eradicated from the collective memory of our people. We have committed treason against God & our countrymen by apathetically permitting God,s enemies systematically to remove His Law & Word from public life, thereby destroying the foundations of our society. We have betrayed ours & future generations by failing to be the "salt & light God made us to be. We have not prayed, cared, protected, defended, nor sought justice for the needy as we ought. Neither have we resisted oppressors or warned the negligent & disobedient. We are guilty before God and man (Jdg 2:10; Ps 11:3; Pr 29:13; Jer 2:19-32; Dan 9:3-19; Rom 1:28-32).

Thus, Confusion has overtaken us, our families are broken and our communities are torn. Our civil servants and magistrates, ordained to protect the innocent and punish evildoers, have become corrupt lords and tyrants who shamelessly lie, crush us with confiscatory taxes, suffocate us with oppressive regulation, bankrupt our nation with profligate spending and control our thoughts with anti-Christ intimidation. Yet we affirm & reaffirm them. Our churches are impotent and our pastors are mute. Godlessness, pride, dishonesty, injustice, fornication, abortion, homosexuality, pornography, divorce, child abuse, parental neglect, violence, murder, suicide, drug abuse, greedy materialism, and covenant-breaking define our national character. God,s curses for disobedience have progressively come upon us, yet we stubbornly refuse to repent (Ex 5:6-14; Dt 28:14-68; Pr 6:17; Rom 13:3-4; Rev 2:5, 16; 3:3, 19).

If We continue in this Path we will be utterly destroyed. No man can save us. But if we will meet God,s conditions, there is still hope (Dt 8:19-20; Josh 24:20; Ezra 10:1-3; Ps 9:17; Is 5:5-6; Jonah 3:8- 10).

[u][b]Therefore:[/b][/u]

Considering the urgency of the hour, as believers in Our Lord Jesus Christ, clearly instructed by God,s Word, we hereby Summon the Elders & All Who Live in the Land to meet in Solemn Assembly before our God in Churches, in Towns, in Cities & Counties, in Businesses and extended Families, and entities of every kind, to Confess our individual and corporate sins, to Repent & Cry Out to Him on our own behalf and on behalf of our Church & Nation, that His forgiveness, favor and renewed blessing might be granted to America (1 Kg 8:22-53; 2 Chr 7:14; Neh 4:14; Joel 1:14; 2:12-18).

[i] [url=http://repent.org/articles/proclaim.html]Taken from repent.org[/url] [/i]


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 Regarding Desperate Prayer



Brother Greg,
Can we expect this item to show up among Owen’s messages.
I am talking about “Desperate Prayer for Desperate Times”
Terry


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What is the truth? Why are so many tossed around by the violent sea?

A quote taken from repent.org:

"As Free Christian Citizens we are called to establish righteous civil government: to pray, vote, boldly proclaim God,s Word in the public square and openly support & elect Godly officials. We are charged to publicly denounce, withstand & defeat officials who despoil our Godly heritage or defy God,s eternal law by their public actions or private behavior (Ex 18:21; Dt 18:15, 18-20; Pr 28:4; 29:2; Is 33:22; 59:14; Eze 33:1-11)."

Is this a precept of man or of God? Where in Scripture does it say that disciples of Christ will take part in this activity? Where in the beatitudes can this be found?

Beware of the leven. I have started reading the articles of this organization, and the feeling I have is of men tossed to and fro by the wind and the sea.

In Christ
Jeff


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Evening Jeff,

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Is this a precept of man or of God? Where in Scripture does it say that disciples of Christ will take part in this activity? Where in the beatitudes can this be found?




Firstly, I believe that Christianity deals exactly with that, our atitudes. Secondly, I am not sure I understand you correctly, when you ask whether disciples of Christ will take part in this activity. My response is we should. There are examples of men in there work situations serving the Lord eg Rom 16:23 -Erastus the director of public works, Acts 10:1 - Cornelius, a centurion and Phil 4:22 - those who belong to Caesars household.

We are salt to preserve the savour. If we get out of all those places, then what?


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Let's take the first sentence of this quote:

""As Free Christian Citizens we are called to establish righteous civil government: to pray, vote, boldly proclaim God,s Word in the public square and openly support & elect Godly officials."

Now the Calvinist on this sight would say that God ordains and selects those who govern over us. How can we establish righteous government? Who is it that elects? The man who wrote this does not adhere to the Calvinistic beliefs he ascribes to when citing Romans 13. You see you can't have it both ways. This is what I mean when we are tossed to and fro by the philosophies of men. Jesus is King, but not of this world. Holy Scripture does not support the form of government we have as being something of God.

"And the fourth kingdom whall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others. Whereas you saw feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. and as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay. And in those days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever." Daniel 2: 40-44

It sounds to me that the nature of the kingdom prophesied here is similiar to the idea of democracy. Think about the quality of this type of government in comparison to the Kingdom which will destroy the idea of democracy.

In Christ
Jeff


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Can we expect this item to show up among Owen’s messages.


Brother Terry, I am hoping to contact them tommorow and get this CD resource with this message and then in turn will definetly make it available for access by SI members. I have to contact Richard Owen Roberts also pretty soon myself, I had a contact who was going to his prayer meetings in Wheaton, IL and got his permission to get the videos up, he seems hes open for the spreading of the word of God for free.


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Is this a precept of man or of God? Where in Scripture does it say that disciples of Christ will take part in this activity? Where in the beatitudes can this be found?



It seems pretty clear that the answer to America's problems is not merely in political and legal reform. However, Scripture does make it clear that Christians should oppose sin in their society. That can be done in many ways including voting and public speaking. But I think we can all agree the real answer to the problems of sin in our society can only be found in the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ.

In Christ,

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Beware of the leven. I have started reading the articles of this organization, and the feeling I have is of men tossed to and fro by the wind and the sea.



I have to agree with Jeff here. I think i wrote to Greg once about this before. There is a difference between biblical christianity and right wing conservative political agendas-or at least there should be.

Funny that the majority of the lukewarm sleeping christians who are residing in Christian city are all for these types of groups. They demand their rights just as the humanists do. Things are much deeper than they appear on the surface- the enemy would just like us to see the surface. There is more than just two sides- the right and the left, the conservative and the liberal- there is Christ's side and all that He stands for. NO Compromise- even for politicians.

All true christians are called to surrender all areas of their life over to the Lord- no exceptions. In north america, Christianity has turned into a nice blend of Jesus+patriotism+pledge of allegiance+declaration of independance+the american dream = one pleasing, palatable ball

In Him, Chanin


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I agree that being Christian doesn't equal right-wing politics. Some of us in the U.S.A. might come to that conclusion because being Christian is so opposed to being associated with the major centrist/left-wing movements in the country (i.e. the Democratic Party) that they think they should cast their lot with the most powerful opponent of such politics (i.e. the Republican Party).

The truth is, neither of the major parties really suits, nor intends to seriously advocate, politics that are in harmony with God.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

seems to be a good step better. Having read what I've read about Michael Peroutka, I'd be elated if he was president. If I vote, it will be for him.

But politics won't fix the underlying moral problems plaguing this nation (or the others, of course), only God, by His Holy Spirit, can do that.

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