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Smokey
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 mass murder awarded Canada's highest honor

The man who has spearheaded the right for abortion on demand in Canada for the last 40 plus years, has just been awarded the "Order Of Canada". This is the highest national award that can be granted to a civillian. Dr. Henry Morgentaler has been leading the fight for abortion rights since the 60's, and our government has now decided to award him for his efforts. What have we come to in Canada?
Information here http://catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13100

Blessings Greg


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Greg

 2008/7/2 23:14Profile
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 Re: mass murder awarded Canada's highest honor

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Smokey wrote:
What have we come to in Canada?

We have become one of the biggest backsliders!
Lord have mercy on us. I think it all has happend on our watch. Both Canada and US used to be moral nations in years gone by. But we are more "civilized" now. Next thing we know will be child abusers demand their rights and freedoms. God forbid.
Who would think 20 yeras ago, such immorralities as we see today would be acceptable.
Levan,


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levan giorgadze

 2008/7/3 14:07Profile
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I read this brother Greg. We as Christians have no backbone in Canada. None.

 2008/7/3 14:15Profile
rbanks
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It is going to get worse brethren!

Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world".

His true chidren are in the world but they are not of the world.

 2008/7/3 14:31Profile
Smokey
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Is this all the discussion we can get on this issue?

Blessings Greg


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Greg

 2008/7/5 10:25Profile
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Is this all the discussion we can get on this issue?


Greg, I see your point! But you can only talk about how bad a person is in so many ways. And in the end of the day, you are none the wiser for it.

I believe that this is a far bigger topic than just Dr. M – who really is just doing what people want. And by the way, Canada isn’t going to hell in a handbasket just because of him! I have some good friends who work in pregnancy crisis centers - you just don't hear about them on the news!


Morgenteller is just the product an entire worldly value system. It’s not merely about killing babies, but about why people do such things.

Killing babies is nothing new. In the missionary story “Foreign Devil in China” (I think) you can read how the Chinese would throw their newborns out of the window for the dogs to eat if they didn’t want them – like if they were girls. ( The book is 1 cent on Amazon.com. It is a great story about Ruth Graham's parents (Dr and Mrs. Bell) as missionaries in China. I recommend it!)

Now, we know that abortion is murder, and some believe that IUD’s are murder because they prevent the implantation of the zygote. However, take that a step back in the reproductive process: Are there not moral implications regarding the prevention of life – like how it gives people the freedom from morals and also freedom from the burden of children – so they can live life the way they want. So we end up with a society of free love, and eventually a population of elderly without offspring to take care of them... – except the government………. Mmm.



This could be an insightful discussion if we could get beyond how bad Dr. Morgenteller is.

Diane


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 2008/7/5 13:57Profile
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Here is one of the responses to the news release - expressing not only grief over the evil of this man, but also confessing another evil: you pay for your sins - eventually -


Even though I regard Dr. Morgentaler as an evil man and abortion as a crime against humanity, we Catholics in Canada are as responsible for there being a Dr. Morgentaler as anyone else. Many years ago, when abortion was restricted, the economic and social prospects of numerous young woman who got pregnant before wedlock were doomed. Catholics and other leaders of society would (i) treat her like a social leper and (ii) act like she got pregnant by herself (the guy rarely had to share the responsibility). These things produced the desperation that led to amateur abortions and other horrible consequences.

This huge historical injustice produced the pressures and the sheer rage among many women that led to the social acceptance of abortion. Two huge wrongs do not make a right, but we Catholics should hang our heads in shame before anyone else we point our fingers at.

Are Catholics the only ones to blame here?

Diane


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Diane

 2008/7/5 14:36Profile
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Many years ago, when abortion was restricted, the economic and social prospects of numerous young woman who got pregnant before wedlock were doomed.



This is an issue that is loaded. On the one hand modern Christians are working to rectify their history by offering unconditional forgiveness to these females with the end result being that more babies are born out-of-wedlock and there is no shame! Least of all any repentance!

In years past - meaning the era of my parents who were b. in 1927 or earlier - couples who fornicated and got pregnant, got married and stayed married. Divorcing was a shame as well as it was to bear a child out of wedlock. So what happened?

Christians have risen to the occasion by establishing Crises Pregnancy Centers as a way to offer an alternative to females who are abortion minded, be they married or single. In the States, if you are single and pregnant there is a ton of government help one can apply for and get. Since the financial burden has been lifted by Uncle Sam (the government) one deterrent has been removed from girls giving their child up for adoption: the government makes it easier for a single girl to parent the child herself.

Then there is culture. You have the female celebrities having babies without benefit of clergy and they get a lot of favorable press so people are finding their resistance to it being worn down to where it is looked at as an unfortunate thing and the church in the meantime gives more money to CPCs.

Church leaders lament the lack of morals among their flock, but are afraid to call it what it is because they have payments to make, after all. They have become wimps, more interested in popular opinion then in God's. So, they just back off and intoduce their flock to some "Purpose Driven" program, hoping the people would see the light. In the meantime homes are being torn apart because of adultery and then divorce....the pill makes it easier for the participants to sin with fewer consequences (spell that babies).

The stats inform us the AB rate among people who consider themselves religious is very high. If no religious folks would abort, there would be far fewer abs in the USA.

Whether it is Dr. Morgentaler's fault (or Dr. Nathanson's in the USA) that abortions have become so easy defies realities. In the USA there was strong political pressure to legalize it because there was money to be made in offering this service. (If you can get a copy of Dr. Nathanson's' book "The Hand of God". He details all this in his book.) Then you had the abortion lobby paying politicians via of donations to their reelection campaigns and it is as they say - the rest is history.

So whose fault is it? It is sin that resides in the heart of every man and woman that has not been dealt with. The devil just found a way to entice people to make a profit from it.

I am not upset am I? The answer is, I am. I have seen too many pregnant singles who choose to parent their child with no thought of ever changing their lifestyle, who experience some guilt but the social pressure to 'do the right thing' is absent because society has changed and no shame is present anywhere. Shame is a deterrent as guilt is to the conscience: a great motivator to sometimes to the right thing when nothing else would.

OK, I will quit...and hold my peace..

ginnyrose

PS: BTW, You all might begin to pray for Dr. Morgentaler. Dr. Nathanson has repented of his role in the abortion industry. God can still change folks. You need to read "The Hand of God". But be warned, it is a difficult read until you get 'into' it. It is written by an intellectual for intellectuals. :-)


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Sandra Miller

 2008/7/5 18:43Profile
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 Re: mass murder awarded Canada's highest honor

The appointment was politically motivated, but it was clearly not unanimous, as evident from the following resignations from other members of the Order:

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Nobody has yet resigned from the Order of Canada. However, in July 2008, Roman Catholic priest Lucien Larré, former police detective Frank Chauvin, and Gilbert Finn, former Lieutenant Governor of New Brunswick, indicated their intentions to return their insignia of the Order of Canada in protest against abortion activist Henry Morgentaler's appointment earlier that month. Similarly, members of the Madonna House Apostolate, an Ontario Catholic organization, indicated their intention to return the insignia of Catherine Doherty, the Madonna House's late founder, who was inducted into the order in 1976.



Abortion remains a hotly-debated issue in Canada despite the picture the liberal policians are trying to portray.


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