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"Pilgrim and Sojourner." - 1 Peter 2:11


[i]by Lee Grady[/i]

Lakeland Revival leader Todd Bentley’s unusual prayer methods
have triggered questions about Holy Spirit etiquette. For weeks the
blogosphere has been sizzling with comments, pro and con, about
the unusual ministry style of Todd Bentley, the leader of the
Lakeland Revival in Florida. Thousands of people have watched the
tattooed evangelist shout “Bam! Bam!” as he prays for the sick and
interviews those who say they were instantly healed.

Nobody could ever accuse Bentley of lacking zeal. And he always
gives Jesus the credit for the healings he announces on God TV
every night. But he has come under fire because of video clips
from a sermon in which he says the Holy Spirit told him to use
violent means to heal people.

The sermon, preached in Lakeland and posted on YouTube,
features Bentley demonstrating how he (1) banged a woman’s
crippled legs “like a baseball bat” on a stage; (2) tackled, mounted
and choked a man to free him from a demon; (3) shoved a Chinese
man to the ground to pray for him (causing the man to lose a tooth);
(4) kicked an older woman in the face with his biker boot to heal
her; and (5) “leg-dropped” a pastor—a professional wrestling tactic,
popularized by Hulk Hogan, in which the aggressor jumps in the
air and lands on his opponent with one leg outstretched.

When we asked Bentley about his unorthodox methods, he
assured Charisma that none of the people were hurt and that
many were healed. He also explained that British evangelist Smith
Wigglesworth, a legend in the hall of fame of Pentecostal
preachers, used similar methods.

So if Wigglesworth healed a man by punching him in the stomach,
and Bentley sees similar results by using techniques borrowed
from the World Wrestling Entertainment, does that mean we
should teach all altar workers to become more aggressive?

I know that people have been healed in the meetings in Lakeland. I
know of a woman from South Carolina who was healed of cystic
fibrosis while sitting in one of Bentley’s services. (She was never
touched by anyone.) I also know a man from California who was
healed of sleep apnea while watching the Lakeland revival on
television. Jesus is most definitely still in the healing business.

I also know that Bentley is not performing Hulk Hogan stunts from
the stage in Lakeland every night. But because his comments
about violent prayer have been so widely broadcast, we need to
call a timeout and make it clear that hitting people is wrong, period.
Bentley’s teaching on unorthodox prayer methods should include a
disclaimer: “DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME.” Here are three reasons why:

1. The Holy Spirit is gentle. Jesus boldly drove the moneychangers
out of the temple with a whip. But when He prayed for sick people,
there is no record of Him head-banging or leg-dropping anyone. He
rebuked evil spirits authoritatively, but He never hit, slapped,
choked, mounted or kicked a person. He was meek, which means
He knew how to control His strength, and He never threw His
weight around.

When He commissioned His followers to heal the sick, Jesus told
them to “lay” hands on them (Mark 16:18). Since gentleness is
part of the fruit of the Holy Spirit (along with kindness—see Gal.
5:22-23), any ministry we do should be tempered with mercy and

2. If we minister in the flesh, we will reap flesh. Several years ago I
was standing near the stage in a large meeting when a visiting
evangelist said he wanted to pray for all the ministers in the room.
Immediately some ushers yanked me up to the platform and the
man of God raced over to “pray” for me. Before I knew it, I was
assaulted in the name of the Lord.

Whack! The guy hit me so hard that I fell down and held my face in
my hands to hide my grimace. The skin on my neck was stinging.
When I finally went back to my seat, a friend ran over to
congratulate me, saying, “Wow, I saw you go down under the
power!” I had to grit my teeth and ask the Lord to help me forgive
the preacher who inflicted pain instead of a holy impartation.

Why do we think that more bodies on the floor equals “more
anointing”—especially when the evangelist shoves people to the
ground or slaps them silly? To build a ministry on such foolish
theatrics is to trust in the arm of the flesh.

3. Somebody’s going to get hurt. We reported last week that a
Tennessee man sued his charismatic church because its pastoral
staff did not provide the proper “catchers” when he fell down during
a prayer meeting last year. Matthew Lincoln of Knoxville said he
struck the hard floor of the sanctuary with his head and aggravated
a disc problem in his back, resulting in the need for surgery.

I don’t know the specifics of the situation in Knoxville, Tenn., and
it may be that this church has done everything possible to provide
a caring atmosphere in their meetings. Plus, the man suing the
church does not say anyone hit him or knocked him over. But
serious accidents are bound to happen if we don’t stress the
importance of ministering with gentleness and wisdom.

In our zany charismatic world we often let our zeal run wild. I’ve
been in services in which all kinds of injuries happened. Once I
watched a 300-pound man fall on a frail woman. I’ve seen heads
hit metal chairs. I’ve seen evangelists step on people’s arms and
legs. We may say the Holy Spirit is moving, but—more often than
we want to admit—our chaos may be a sign of our immaturity.

Please understand me. I desperately want the power of God to
invade our churches. I’ve been in meetings in which the Lord’s
glory was so thick that no one could stand up. I have felt the
weight of His presence fall like a blanket on a congregation. And I
remember falling to the floor when I got within four feet of a humble
Indian preacher who barely touched people on the forehead when
he prayed for them.

We don’t have to force things to happen. God’s power is real. May
we never settle for a man-made imitation.

SI Moderator - Greg Gordon

 2008/6/20 11:12Profile

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For my part this thing has had way too much coverage.

But still it continues.

Not much else to say.

 2008/6/20 11:44Profile

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had a thought while reading J Lee Grady this morning: Why, three articles in a row, is he writing on this topic again? It seems the enemy likes the limelight, spotlight and the attention. Is it safe to assume that?


 2008/6/20 12:49Profile

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Richmond, VA


I agree with enid this thing is getting to much press and glory.


 2008/6/20 13:18Profile

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I guess I see it a little different. Just knowing that Lee Grady is the editor of THE charismatic magazine, makes me rejoice. It's almost like having a catholic magazine and the editor starts writing articles about how unscriptural the pope is. It might get old to us protestants who have had it figured out for years, but it wouldn't be to the catholics.

I think in a similar sense many in the Charismatic movement might be undecided on it or even shocked my what Lee is saying. With Lee having such a "weighty seat" in that movement I think it's great.

Josh Parsley

 2008/6/20 14:04Profile

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Posts: 39


Thanks for posting this here..I had read this in my email earlier...Oh how we need the Lord to help all of us..May none perish..

Samuel Thomas

 2008/6/20 14:40Profile

Joined: 2004/4/5
Posts: 952


I don't even know Lee Grady, but I'm thankful that he at least is letting people know what is going on.There are probably quite a few in the AOG that believe what is going on in Fla.
I know the Pastor of the Church I used to attend believed it, and has left the Church.
I don't know what happened to him.
One Sunday he was preaching the Word straight, and when I went back, he had listened to one of the older elders, and he said he saw gold dusts floating around.

I had wondered why I kept going to the articles posted about Lakeland, well I knew why that Sunday.
I've never believed in gold dust, female angels, or God taking people to Heaven to talk with Paul, etc.
It grieves me that so many of God's people are being deceived, and drawn away from what God's Word says.

Sometimes we have to speak up, with the Word of God,not adding to it, or taking away from it.

God Bless all,

 2008/6/20 16:06Profile

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Hemel Hempstead


Batman and Robin beware!

Dominic Shiells

 2008/6/24 12:05Profile

Joined: 2004/4/23
Posts: 663
Escondido, California


I [i]just[/i] found out today about this revival in Florida and this evangelist Todd Bentley from Canada. A friend was very excited about the live stream they watched last night of one of the meetings and emailed me the link to his ministry website. I ended up watching a Fox News interview uploaded to YouTube between Geraldo and Todd. I then did a Google search and saw that indeed, there was some background information on this guy on Wikipedia. Then it dawned on me, since SermonIndex is based out of Canada, and events like this can usually be found on this discussion forum, that I may find a discussion about this guy and his meetings.

I just wanted to say that it was [i]very[/i] comforting to find this news discussed by other members on this site and this topic started by you. I don't think I will [i]ever[/i] cease to be amazed how refreshing it is when [i]Jesus[/i] is the common bond amongst Christians. With the focus on this guy, these healings, and these empowering angels, I pray after all this excitement and stirring up of emotions, that Jesus gets the praise and glory [i]He[/i] deserves.

May this SermonIndex ministry continue to equip and encourage those who would come by here. :-)

Yolanda Fields

 2008/6/25 17:11Profile

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