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lovejt
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 Re: California Legalizes Same Sex Marriage

It'll be interesting to see what the governor will do. He is opposed to it. He also was very strong in supporting parents who home-schooled and helped settle that situation.


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james thorpe

 2008/5/16 11:50Profile









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It'll be interesting to see what the governor will do. He is opposed to it. He also was very strong in supporting parents who home-schooled and helped settle that situation.



Are you talking about Gov "I'll be back" He is about as liberal as they come. He would make a good running mate for Obama.

 2008/5/16 12:03
hmmhmm
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All politicians are in Gods hands, we should be building Gods kingdom and not be so worried about these earthly kingdoms.

Scripture says honor the emperor, not to elect them , vote for them or support them.

Our governments are abominations before God and we should not be involved.

They are opposed to God and his standards, and we need never worrie about who leads the nation, god has everything in control. so says scripture


Dan 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.


so we can relax, knowing even the most ungodly government is allowed to rule because god has put them there. And he will work all according to his purposes.



So there is no need for us to be concerned about elections and so on, they wont change Gods eternal plans .

we live by faith in God and trust him for everything.


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CHRISTIAN

 2008/5/16 12:24Profile









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hmmhmm wrote:
All politicians are in Gods hands, we should be building Gods kingdom and not be so worried about these earthly kingdoms.

They are opposed to God and his standards, and we need never worrie about who leads the nation, god has everything in control. so says scripture



So there is no need for us to be concerned about elections and so on, they wont change Gods eternal plans .

we live by faith in God and trust him for everything.




Does God care who we choose? Would he be pleased if we choose one who did not honor Him?

Man just think instead of choosing Joshua, what if the Isrealites could have chosen one of those who guys who went with Joshua and Caleb to spy out the land. The ones that we look like grasshoppers, maybe we should just stay here and mind our own business and make friends with them even though they serve other Gods. What if, instead of chosing Joshua they would have chosen a man who said, I don't care what God says, all Gods are the same, let's go by and do what seems right in our eyes. They would have never got to the land of milk and honey and you know the rest of the story on what a blessing the whole world would have missed.
Yea what a Christian attitude. It may sound honest and lovely but is it?
Wake Christians, God gave you scripture and a brain.

 2008/5/16 12:33
hmmhmm
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so if i or you or even all christianity dont vote for God defying, God hating politicians, Gods eternal purposes will fail and no single christian will enter into the promise land?





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CHRISTIAN

 2008/5/16 12:40Profile









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Is that your theology. I didn't write that, you did. I'll draw you a picture. God's eternal plan will play out, everyone that has trusted Christ alone and made him both Lord and Savior will be saved, but each one who is saved will give an account of what He has done. To know to do good and do it not is a sin. My one vote may not make a drop in the bucket but at least I can stand before the Lord both now and then and say Lord I tried. I STOOD FOR YOU AND THOSE WHO STOOD FOR YOU AND CALLED OTHERS UNTO YOU.
Do I need to draw any further pictures

 2008/5/16 12:45
hmmhmm
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so all other christians who dont vote for who ever you are voting for is sinning?

Who should christians vote for in your opinion?

I dont know one in American elections, not in swedish either, even the so called Christian candidates wont do so much to change the nations.

Whitch one of American candidates holds a bible and says this is what we will follow if you elect me.

I dont see how it is good to vote, when there is no clear biblical candidate, and i meen everything.

One who satnds up for the bible and Gods view on things, not on some but all.

until then i would see it as a sin to vote for someone who allows same sexmarrige, abortion, wars, and so on and on.

this of course is my view and theology, i can respect you for yours brother.

But i fail to see how you reason

I try follow Jesus, he dident tell us to do these things brother, he dident start a group to try vote away the evil high priest or a political party against Cesar. To try to get about a change.

I dont vote, because i belive all that are available in my country stand for the opposite of what the sum of the Word of God teaches.

And i dont want to be supporter of such things.




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CHRISTIAN

 2008/5/16 12:56Profile









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Unfortunately all the candidates are God-defying, God-denying, whatever else you can think of... This is the worst batch of candidates in the history of America, I think.

I didnt think it could get much worse than Al Gore... but Washington has proven me wrong yet again.

Krispy

 2008/5/16 13:07
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 Re: California Legalizes Same Sex Marriage

[url=http://www.bibleviews.com/Schleitheim-JCWenger.html#four]From the The Schleitheim Confession of Faith[/url]


4. Seperation from Abomination

Fourth. We are agreed [as follows] on separation: A separation shall be made from the evil and from the wickedness which the devil planted in the world; in this manner, simply that we shall not have fellowship with them [the wicked] and not run with them in the multitude of their abominations. This is the way it is: Since all who do not walk in the obedience of faith, and have not united themselves with God so that they wish to do His will, are a great abomination before God, it is not possible for anything to grow or issue from them except abominable things. For truly all creatures are in but two classes, good and bad, believing and unbelieving, darkness and light, the world and those who [have come] out of the world, God's temple and idols, Christ and Belial; and none can have part with the other.

To us then the command of the Lord is clear when He calls upon us to be separate from the evil and thus He will be our God and we shall be His sons and daughters.

He further admonishes us to withdraw from Babylon and the earthly Egypt that we may not be partakers of the pain and suffering which the Lord will bring upon them.

From this we should learn that everything which is not united with our God and Christ cannot be other than an abomination which we should shun and flee from. By this is meant all popish and antipopish works and church services, meetings and church attendance,* drinking houses, civic affairs, the commitments [made in] unbelief and other things of that kind, which are highly regarded by the world and yet are carried on in flat contradiction to the command of God, in accordance with all the unrighteouness which is in the world. From all these things we shall be separated and have no part with them for they are nothing but an abomination, and they are the cause of our being hated before our Christ Jesus, Who has set us free from the slavery of the flesh and fitted us for the service of God through the Spirit Whom He has given us.

Therefore there will also unquestionably fall from us the unchristian, devilish weapons of force -- such as sword, armor and the like, and all their use [either] for friends or against one's enemies I would like the records -- by virtue of the word of Christ, Resist not [him that is] evil.



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CHRISTIAN

 2008/5/16 13:07Profile









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guuys , I do not think it about liberals and democrats that dictate morality, these two parties both create horrible politics and policy.

It is about the hearts of Christians, we have not taken our stand.

If u compare these times to those of scripture, God's remnant, His prophets and Apostles are the one in which spread good news and conviction to the leaders and powers that be.

This isnt about Obama or Mccain, this is about a Godless nation, we must hold ourselves, if we call ourselves the "eclesia", the called out ones, the ones who stand for righteousness, than WE must hold our selves Accountable!

Again, let us sincerely fast and pray like our predecessors between the porch and the altar, I firmly believe God will hear us.

If HE can find one who cries out, I believe He will aid us! This is not CRAP!!!!!!

HE will come to the rescue of not only this nation but others, it is one main method in which HIS love is measured through us.

Lets get off this board for a few days at a time or weeks and humbly sit between the porch and the altar and just cry. I am just asking, not ranting, not calling anyone out, just a Strong recommendation...

Love u bros

 2008/5/16 13:16





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