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'Compliments' What do you mean when you say:
I was merely using the wording of the scriptures. Let me quote the verse.Quote:
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son [b]in the likeness of sinful flesh[/b], and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
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Dorcas, you say Christ did not subject Himself to the curse of the fallen world but He died, that was the curse, he suffered pain. God cannot die and suffer pain, but Christ took on a body that He might, so does all that mean that He did not get sick?
Pain and sickness are two different things. Jesus no doubt wore sandels, no doubt a sharp rock might have pinched His foot a few times on his journeys, He would have felt the pain, but does that mean He was sick because He felt the pain. Of course not! |
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The sickless, perfection-in-human-constitution assertion being put forth here is fueled by biased fancy and, again, the wresting of scripture to fit a personal and preconceived notion.
We could insert here the words, "Scriptural Silence" as there is nothing to prove that he ever got the flu, had a cold, even a bowel movement.
But He was wounded for our transgression, He was bruised for our iniquity, surely He bore our sorrow and by the chastisment of our peace was upon Him and with His stripes we were healed. |
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Hi Here4Him,
I had to walk away from a half-written post some hours ago, so here's what I wrote then, and I'll add one sentence after it, in black.
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And why not sickness in His life..?
I am not disputing that His flesh could have experienced sickness, but, whereas He chose not to sin, we cannot choose not to sin in the same way as Him, until we have been born again.
I do not believe His flesh had a fallen (sin-stricken) nature.
I believe He had power over sickness all of His life. Isaiah says 'By His stripes we are healed'. This is a unique statement which almost defies explanation. We have to take it at face value.
I don't believe the psychological suffering He experienced as He saw the damage Satan had done to creation (including mankind) through the fall, is in the same category as if He admitted physical sickness to His body.
Nor do I believe that the physcial discomforts He experienced because He had a body of flesh and blood, are in the same category as physical disease.
Satan was in His face all the time, yet He forgave sin and raised people to full health - all the time. This is the outworking of His Life.
I agree He had the ability to feel physical pain, but what is recorded of this, until He was smacked in the face by the religious leaders (Luke 22:53, Matt 26:67)?
[color=000000]Compliments has also made a distinction between sickness and physical pain, which I believe is important, because what I'm trying to say is.... I believe Jesus [u]had power over[/u] [i]diseases, sicknesses, illnesses[/i] and anything which is caused by inhabiting organisms; it makes [u]no sense[/u] to hear of him rebuking a fever, but at other times being subject to fevers (for instance); in my view, this would bring against Him a charge of unbelief.... but the one thing which drove Him to the edge of His calmness, was unbelief; nothing brought Him more close to losing His cool.[/color]
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It has been said by more than one preacher over the years, that when Adam sinned, he and Eve lost the glory which had clothed them.
In the same way as fallen angels are distinctly different from unfallen angels, I believe the unfallen form of man was distinctly different from us, and this is what the Son took upon Himself - the kind of flesh that looks like we do [i]now[/i].
But, I don't believe He was battling with sin (as I said earlier), because He was able to choose to not sin - which we can't do till after new birth.
In that sense, I don't believe Christ's flesh was fallen in that it was controlled by sinful desires, which He could only resist because He was God (as some people seem to believe).
Okay Here4Him, that's about all I can contribute, now.
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| | 2008/4/17 22:04 | | PaulWest
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We could insert here the words, "Scriptural Silence" as there is nothing to prove that he ever got the flu, had a cold, even a bowel movement.
This is totally offensive to me. People from all over the globe are reading this. The threads, the posts are getting more and more and more apostate and perverse. The images are becoming more and more disgusting and demonic. The teachings more and more unsound.
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The teachings more and more unsound.
Due to the nature of this discussion and the unfruitlessness of its progression we are [b]locking the thread[/b].
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