I appreciate and respect your apology Scott – thank you.

To answer your questions:

As I said Scott I have nothing to hide – and I fully admit that we have and still do dance on the streets of Skid Row. Both of my sons dance and do it for the glory of God and of course I have no problem with my sons or anyone dancing to worship God. To condemn them for dancing to worship God because you don’t like the form of dance is highly legalistic (again listen to the Zac compilation – he explains it VERY well).

I am not turning to the ways of the world, I am happy to sing and rap on the street and have done so for quite a while and dance to worship God is no different. And I am happy to preach where I am invited to preach and gather crowds in different ways. To condemn someone for gathering a crowd in a way you personally don’t like is again highly legalistic. If you wanted to have mariachi band contest in Mexico to draw in crowds and preach the truth and the true gospel to them I would have no problem with that, but I won’t condemn you for not doing it either. Stop focusing on the method brother and focus on the message and the Holy Spirit. The only way to promote Christ is through the power and unction of the Holy Spirit. The event is to draw a crowd; the preaching in the power and unction of the Holy Spirit is what will promote Christ – same as the mariachi band example. I live with a brother who was born again because he went to a skateboarding contest that some minsters where holding to draw skateboarders to preach to. Again, if you have personal conviction against skateboard contests then don't hold them, but thank God these ministers weren't leaglistic about such things for their fruit is a wonderful and precious brother in Christ.

Tyre and Sylvester see nothing wrong with dancing in general and especially dancing in a form worship to God. They will continue to teach kids dancing as a form of expression and worship to God. But they are rather focusing their efforts on ministering rather then dancing themselves.

If the end is the preaching of the uncompromising pure truth of the Word of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the power and unction of the Holy Spirit for the salvation of souls, and the means is not sinful then in my opinion OF COURSE the means justify the ends. If your opinion differs then fine don’t do it, but don’t condemn other who do and have a differing opinion then you. Again, bro you’re focusing on the method instead of the message.

Any dancing you do with a pure heart of worship towards God is glorifying to God. Also as I stated many of the moves have spiritual significance or act out spiritual messages most often about the victory of Christ on the Cross, crucifying the flesh, the death of the old man, separation from the world, walking in newness of life, and spiritual warfare. To me it just looks like they are flinging, shaking and swinging around, they have to explain it to me “this means this and that means that etc.” and then I get it, but the other kids who are watching know exactly what they mean and are saying through their dance.

Again Scott thanks for your apology and the questions you asked. And I urge you to stop focusing on the method or form and rather on the message - check out the following Scripture –

Some are preaching out of jealousy and rivalry. But others preach about Christ with pure motives. They preach because they love me, for they know the Lord brought me here to defend the Good News. Those others do not have pure motives as they preach about Christ. They preach with selfish ambition, not sincerely, intending to make my chains more painful to me. But whether or not their motives are pure, the fact remains that the message about Christ is being preached, so I rejoice. And I will continue to rejoice.
(Php 1:15-18)

If the Truth is being preached we should be as Paul and rejoice in the fact that the Christ is being preached whether we agree with the methods, motives, and style of music or not. Let’s focus our attention on those preaching a false gospel and a false message and not nit pick over the styles and methods of those who preach the uncompromising truth.

Patrick
www.revivalarmy.com

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Patrick-

This was originally going to be posted in [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=22871&forum=35]Brother Josefs thread[/url] last night but I decided to wait and pray on it, and now I see the Lord would rather have me post it here.




You may win some oohs and ahhs from those who do not know you well on this forum with a shallow word here and a public confession there, but I would warn you not to make the personal side of this issue any more public then you already have, or to slander brother Josef through your thinly disguised accusations. Josef did not even mention you or link to [referring to the other thread] any of your disgusting, vain, prideful, and at one point even sexually explicit videos or to the KRUMP Competitions that you are now organizing. Competitions where people perform these demon inspired, prideful, vain dances for prize money and oohs and ahs from the crowd (I mean for Jesus)... all to support the "ministry". I saw a video of you personally "mc'ing" (if that is indeed what you cool, relevant, ministers call it) one of these events and telling one of the dancers to "go out there and show them how it's done" followed by a sickeningly prideful display by the dancer. Flesh worship, vanity, all to be relevant, and all in the name of Jesus. The very nick names you use are worldly and prideful.

"Be appalled, O heavens, at this; be shocked, be utterly desolate" as the prophet Jeremiah wrote about Gods people who went back to drink from the polluted waters they were once delivered from...

And now what do you gain by going to Egypt to drink the waters of the Nile? Or what do you gain by going to Assyria to drink the waters of the Euphrates? Your evil will chastise you, and your apostasy will reprove you. Know and see that it is evil and bitter for you to forsake the LORD your God; the fear of me is not in you, declares the Lord GOD of hosts. "For long ago I broke your yoke and burst your bonds; but you said, 'I will not serve.' Yes, on every high hill and under every green tree you bowed down like a whore. - Jeremiah 2:18-20 esv

I have not made this matter public in fear it would leave you no place left to go besides deeper into apostasy as you would need to dig your heels in to protect your public ministry and reputation that you have spent years building up. I purposefully have not made this issue widely public, nor do I know of any instance where brother Josef has, so I say out of love for you, please do not force this issue any further then you already have. Remember what happened last summer to a young man who lead a fellowship out by you when backed into a corner? Besides, why speak of a speck of judgmentalism in your brother Josef’s eye while all the time not addressing the log of pride that has blinded you and cost you your anointing? You throw out the words legalism, Pharisee, and speak of coming out of such, but all I see that you have come out of is the discernment of the Holy Spirit and will of God. What you call "repenting" from your past judgments, I believe with all my heart was actually you being handed over to strong delusion. You were unfaithful in the little things, confusing a hippy Spirit for the Holy Spirit and you have been handed over. What you call "being freed from legalism" God, through the prophet Jeremiah calls being a wild donkey in heat who has left her pasture.

As of yesterday you had not removed my jimdied2sin account from your website per my request... please do so as I tremble to announce that I am withdrawing all public affiliation from you and your ministry. Not only withdrawing from it, but publicly decrying it as filthy and compromised.

God owes you nothing for your former service to Him and you would tremble if you could see what those who love you the most, wept, prayed, and have given countless words of warning to you from the Lord are seeing happen. Alas, you are blind and handed over to delusion though, you have the right words but no longer comprehend the meaning. This is why Jesus told us to judge by the fruit and not just words. Pride and vanity are not fruits of the Spirit.

By the way, Chilly Ch**ton sometimes preaches what appears to be a decent sounding message after he connects with his audience by playing U2 songs during the taking of communion. A quick look through his site and ministry will see it is full of compromise, a shrine to self, a man made kingdom, and through that pride he is blinded. You have basically become an inner city version of Chilly Ch**ton. The ship is going faster and faster brother and the beach is up ahead. Perhaps it is to late and these words are in vain. I truly fear for your soul. I am shocked, bewildered, appauled, grieved, crushed, distraught, and utterly horrified by what has happened to you. Never in my life would I have believed this would go so far.

What would anyone think if my family dressed up in star wars costumes then went out to the streets to "minister". What if we had light saber battles where everyone gathered around and judged us by our prideful cool moves, costumes, and character impersonations. What if we added a little bit of sexuality into it as well. I would call it STOP instead of KRUMP. Star wars tainted outward praise. We would still "preach the Gospel" afterwards though. Jedi Patrick, aka Big Disciple, the circus you are now promoting is just as ridiculous and ungodly as what I am describing here. I say this to your public shame that you may be shocked out of your blindness and come to repentance.

You deny the Gospel by your actions. You are under delusion, your are both deceived and are becoming a deceiver.

How the mighty have fallen... just as Josef wrote.


In brokenness of heart,

Jim

Isaiah 2:8-12 esv
Their land is filled with idols; they bow down to the work of their hands, to what their own fingers have made. So man is humbled, and each one is brought low-- do not forgive them! Enter into the rock and hide in the dust from before the terror of the LORD, and from the splendor of his majesty. The haughty looks of man shall be brought low, and the lofty pride of men shall be humbled, and the LORD alone will be exalted in that day. For the LORD of hosts has a day against all that is proud and lofty, against all that is lifted up--and it shall be brought low;

Also...

Patrick Said:
"have help them with their site just as I have helped others with their website and am help a lady who sells jewelry with her website."

Josef said:
If that is not Patrick's personal site, as in the owner of it, my stance is still firm because:

Scott said:
Patrick, since you say that is not your site then I repent and publicly apologize for assuming it was. I should have checked with you first and not assumed. It was wrong for me to do so and I ask you to forgive me for this.

[b]Jim says:[/b]
Josef and Scott, Patrick is deceiving you, it is his site. In the literal, legal, and practical sense PATRICK DOES OWN THIS SITE. I did a whois lookup on it this morning.

Patrick, you are being less then honest, you are seen in the videos with your family promoting this, its on your patrick123 youtube site, and you are clearly the one who registered and made the website. This is far more then "helping a lady sell jewelry on her website".

From WHOIS

Registrant:
Patrick Ersig

Registered through: Mad Dog
Domain Name: IESTREETDYNASTY.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS521.WEBSITEWELCOME.COM
NS522.WEBSITEWELCOME.COM



Patrick Said:
"This is also untrue and slanderous information from Josef's recent email of which none of these things has he ever spoken to me about personal - all speculation, un-righteous judgment and conclusions that result in slander."

[b]Jim says:[/b]
Are you kidding me? I would like to spare you and your family the full embarrassment and shame of revealing the personal words spoken to you about your sin from just about everyone you use to minister with in Detroit. Patrick has been warned for the past year leading up to this by all that love him about the path he has been walking. This matter was handled privately, then by two brothers, and there is now full Biblical authority to bring it before all the brethren... and again Patrick was actually the one to do so in the other thread.



Patrick Said:
"I have asked the moderators to delete this slanderous post but please don’t delete the topic or lock the post because I feel the original post could help many, even Josef and sscott"

[b]Jim says:[/b]
In all you have written, beginning with brother Josefs simple post on sermons about modern music, you have played the roll of a subtle accuser, slanderer, and deceiver. It is one thing to be under strong delusion, it is another to bring reproach on the pure work God is doing in Mexico through brothers Josef and Sean. All because Josef refuses to give up on you, his brother, and brings your sin up to you. You are on a slippery slope to hell Patrick. I weep for you soul.

I would warn everyone here not to listen to Patrick’s words as they are deceptive and spoken out of the delusion of his own mind. I can see how some could take the good that is posted from his article, as with all deception there is some truth involved, know there is something far more subtle at work here though. When he is talking about coming out legalism, he is actually talking about coming out of discernment. Those familiar with what is happening behind the scenes can see it.

...never a dull moment around here.

Krispy

Actually, Patrick, you speak of not accusing, but you accuse me on this forum of many things, both on this thread and the other thread. I mentioned you nowhere, had no intention of even speaking of you, and didn't even want to get into these things on this public forum. It is YOU that have dragged this thing out here because of your slick and subtle attempts to justify yourself and make yourself look better by casting subtle and twisted accusations at me. I made a thread requesting some sermons from brothers and sisters about modern ungodly music and you jumped over there and began to rail against accusing and judge judgmentalism when it didn't even concern you. You need to get off your little "everyone who doesn't approve of the sin in my life is a pharisee" and "judge not" kick. Would you also tell that to Peter who passed judgment upon Ananias and Saphira for lying to the Holy Ghost, or for telling Simon the Sorceror his heart was filled with wickedness? Would you also tell that to the Apostle Paul as he struck a sorceror with blindness or passed righteous judgment on the whole Corinthian Church?

[i]What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]? God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].(1 Corinthians 5:12-13 AMP).[/i]

Your attempt to make yourself look better by saying "that's not MY website" is deceiving, because you built it, you condone it, and you are into all the stuff it promotes. You and your sons practice it. And you are preaching and ministering alongside them. Regardless, it is a sad day to see you cast aside all discernment and embrace the ways of Egypt.

I sent out that email because I want everyone who knows us to know that I do NOT APPROVE of the path you are taking, and do not want to be associated with it in any way, and to warn them to take heed of amening your compromise.

I will gladly listen to brother Greg's request, as that was my desire from the beginning.

There are some good points in your original post, (and I think you yourself should follow your own advice and stop condemning and judging everyone who disagrees with you as a legalistic Pharisee because in doing so you contradict yourself). But your little article is tainted by your blindness. You are not qualified to speak on these things until you find repentance and stop justifying sin in your life.

I love you Patrick, and long for your repentance, but like I said, I will not wink at your sin and compromise, and I'll pray for you continually until you decide to return to your true calling.

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Patrick Ersig

Hey Paul,

I thank you for your words. There is actually a lot more behind this than has been mentioned on this forum, and is more than a mere "disagreement", and I am saddened to see that it has been made public in such a way on this forum. It is hard to relate what our positions and feelings truly are with just a few typed words on a forum and if my words come across the wrong way I apologize, both to you and the community here.

I will continue to go before the Lord and ask Him to search me and examine my heart to see if there is any bitter feelings or hidden anger, as you have said. But I want it to be clear that I love Patrick more than words can tell and am concerned for his soul.

May Jesus Christ the great searcher of men's hearts search us all, and bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and bear witness to the truth! And may the holy, pure, burning fire of His love purge out all the dross from within us!

I'm known for being blunt... so allow me to continue on in that manner:

Ya'll need to grow up.