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| | An Open Public Confession | | [b]An Open Public Confession[/b]
I would like to openly and publicly repent, and in doing so bring forth a very serious warning in the form of exposing some of the tricks that the enemy has used on me and has been propagating among many saints and many of those I have come to know and love personally. Please do not take this warning lightly, but rather regard this as a serious warning given out of a pure heart of love and concern.
I believe the Lord has exposed in my life two distinct but similar sets of spirits or tricks of the enemy that have infiltrated the ranks of many holiness, revival and repentance preachers, fellowships, brothers, sisters and close friends I say this not to point fingers or to judge or condemn my fellow brothers and sister but rather out of extreme love and concern in hopes to bring about repentance and right standing with God. I also believe, through personal experience, the Lord has shown me how these demonic influences or tricks of the enemy mask themselves as supposed good things of God. My desire is to write a short and concise pulling away of the veil and an exposing of the enemy based on my own experiences. My heart is not again to point fingers or to judge anyone, but rather bid the reader to judge himself lest he be judged based upon my personal testimony and the Word of God. I will name the influencing spirits or tricks, expose their cover (pull off their mask), and describe how they manifest in ones life, from my own personal encounters.
1. The first set of spirits from the enemy is judgmentalism and criticism. These spirits mask themselves as the gift of discerning of spirits. They tell those they have infected or seek to influence that they have a gift of discernment of spirits. They manifest themselves in ones life by constantly noticing the faults and shortcomings of other saints. Constantly noticing and picking apart the shortcomings and faults of other saints is not discernment of spirits picking apart the faults along with the doctrinal and theological errors of other saints in NOT discernment of spirits. I would often have weird or icky feelings about other saints when I meet them I would just know something is wrong and I must beware and find out what is wrong with them. Do you have similar feelings when you meet or get to know other saints? If the answer is yes, then there is a very good chance you are operating under the influence of judgmental and critical spirits. I would constantly see the faults and errors of other believers morally, doctrinal or theologically that would cause me to want to separate from them, not work with or even to not listen to sermons of those who dont agree with my doctrinal or theological convictions (i.e. Calvinism - Arminianism, gifts of the Spirit, denominational background/affiliation, etc, etc, etc..) Take a look at your own life and see if you have similar feelings. If the answer is yes then there is a very good chance you are operating under the influence of judgmental and critical spirits as I was.
Discernment of spirits is a gift that is for the edification of the Body. If you do discern something in another person out of the true gift of discernment of spirits, the result would be a rush of overwhelming love and concern for this poor soul and strong desire to help, intercede in prayer for and to work with the person you have discerned correctly about out of love and concern for their soul. Spirits of judgmentalism and criticism working and operating under the mask of discernment of spirits produce weird or icky feelings and desire to distance yourself from and not to work or fellowship with a person or persons. See I will still at times discern things about certain people but the result of the discernment is different - the old was based in separation, anger- that person is TERRIBLE! and a desire to come against the person; the new is based in love and concern- a desire to help along with patience and longsuffering to work and strive with the person. You can clearly see the difference between the old and the new one is clearly from the devil and the flesh, the other is from God.
BEWARE - often judgmental critical spirits tell you TRUE things about people, so it appears that you are right. Other times they tell lies about people or cause one to mis-apply Scripture AGAINST another brother or sister. If you think you have a gift of discernment of spirits test yourself against the words above!
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(Gal 6:1) BRETHREN, IF any person is overtaken in misconduct or sin of any sort, you who are spiritual [who are responsive to and controlled by the Spirit] should set him right and restore and reinstate him, without any sense of superiority and with all gentleness, keeping an attentive eye on yourself, lest you should be tempted also. (Amplified Bible)
You see according to Scripture, if we see a brother or sister in sin of any sort of misconduct we are to restore and reinstate him in a Spirit of gentleness and meekness, but sad to say and to my own shame I myself along with many others who feel they have the gift of discernment seldom treat those they see in sin this way. Rather the opposite, we talk about them with other brothers and sisters behind their back, cut them off, rail against them, break fellowship with them and condemn them to hell, as not saved, or not a brother. See the thing is, that unless you claim to not fall short of the infinite perfection and glory of God in thought, word, motive, deed or action, then you have shortcomings that others may see and that you do not. Is that how you would have others who see your sins or shortcomings that you do not see treat you? Or more importantly is that how you would have God treat you? How long has God strived with you in your sin and theological and doctrinal errors? Are we not in many cases just like the wicked servant in Matt 18:23-35 who was forgiven his debt, but went out and condemned his fellow servant (not a wicked sinner, but a fellow servant)? It is important we judge ourselves and if we are not in many ways just like that wicked servant in the way we deal with our fellow servants of Christ, for that parable ends with a solemn warning from the mouth of Jesus - And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. (Mat 18:34-35) The word trespasses covers not only personal offenses but has a much broader definition - par-ap'-to-mah From G3895; a side slip (lapse or deviation), that is, (unintentional) error or (wilful) transgression: - fall, fault, offence, sin, trespass - a lapse or deviation from truth and uprightness
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(Gal 6:2) Bear (endure, carry) one another's burdens and troublesome moral faults, and in this way fulfill and observe perfectly the law of Christ (the Messiah) and complete what is lacking [in your obedience to it]. (Amplified Bible)
We must endure one anothers troublesome moral faults and in this way fulfill the perfect law of love. When we do not bear and endure and carry one anothers burdens and troublesome moral faults, it is a severe form of spiritual pride, lack of love and rebellion against God. We place ourselves in a place of sinlessness, moral perfection and faultlessness above our brothers and sisters, and place ourselves in terrible spiritual pride of which I myself have been guilty of and repented from. Listen to the words of God spoken through the apostle John:
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(1Jn 5:16) If you see a Christian brother or sister sinning in a way that does not lead to death, you should pray, and God will give that person life. (NLT)
Judgmental and critical spirits also have caused me to make absolutes that the Scripture does not make, and put forth my own laws and judgments on others. For example, type or style of music, type or style of worship, prayer or meetings, how much money one has or how one spends, etc. Judgmental and critical spirits have caused me to make absolutes in such areas and condemn or look down on those who fall short of my standard or the way I personally feel lead by God to do things When someone is under the influence of such spirits then all must conform to their ways, methods or styles of doing things or they are painted with a brush of less then holy. This form of judgmentalism and adding law to the freedom of the Gospel is no different then what we find in the Galatians or in Romans 14.
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(Jas 4:11-12) Don't speak evil against each other, my dear brothers and sisters. If you criticize each other and condemn each other, then you are criticizing and condemning God's law. But you are not a judge who can decide whether the law is right or wrong. Your job is to obey it. God alone, who made the law, can rightly judge among us. He alone has the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to condemn your neighbor? (NLT)
Instead of judging each other and our brothers and sisters in Christ, we should judge ourselves and see if we are obedient to the passage above lest we be judged. Let us lift up and support our brothers and sisters in Christ who are preaching the truth of the word of God in this dark hour where many are being led astray by false gospels, prosperity and easy believe-ism instead of being judgmental and critical complaining about every doctrine and method or style that falls short of our personal convictions or our self-righteous standards of holiness. Please take heed of the following Scripture.
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(Jas 5:9) Do not complain, brethren, against one another, so that you [yourselves] may not be judged. Look! The Judge is [already] standing at the very door. (Amplified Bible)
2. The second set of spirits or influences from the enemy is ANTI-mercy and ANTI-grace. First of all I would like to state that all four of these spirits or influences work together and are attracted to each other if you have the first set you probably have the second set or at least associate closely with those who do. ANTI-mercy and ANTI-grace mask themselves as jealousy for the glory of God. These are some of the worst spirits or influences of the enemy because they are so incredibly ANTI-Christ and mask themselves as such a good and necessary thing as jealousy for the glory of God. Should we have must we have an insatiable jealousy burning inside of us for God and His Glory? Absolutely yes, yes, yes a thousand times yes!!! But here is the difference, ANTI-mercy and ANTI-grace cause people to break away from others who have faults or who have what we perceive as doctrinal or theological errors and separate ourselves from them under the guise of purity. These evil, wicked and vile spirits say theres no hope for them we must be jealous for the glory of God so we must kick them out We must break fellowship, disassociate or separate ourselves from them - they are apostate theres no hope for them, theres nothing more I can do, etc. thus quenching the very grace and mercy of God. It sure is a good thing that that is not the way God has dealt with us or we would all be in grave trouble! These spirits have caused me to stand in condemnation of others even to the point where I didnt want to witness to certain people or have given up hope for them i.e. those in the church system or Babylon, rich people, those in gross error such as prosperity gospel, prophetic movement, those who are deemed lukewarm, etc. When I was under these spirits I would rather cast these people away then to continue to strive with them, I would rather separate from these people then to continue to strive with them all in guise and mask of jealousy for the glory of God and purity in the body. We most certainly should never compromise the Word of God, water down the truth or placate or comfort someone in their error but we should continue to strive in love, concern, mercy and grace with those held captive to such error until they cut us off not the other way around. We should strive with others just as God had strived with us when we were in rebellion to Him.
ANTI-mercy and ANTI-grace work hand in hand with judgmentalism and criticism. True jealousy for the glory of God is dripping with grace and mercy for those who have been led astray, who have come to believe a lie, who are hard hearted from the satanic culture in which they live and who have been sucked into Babylon and its system. True jealousy for Gods glory would never write these souls off to the devil this would be the opposite of jealousy for the glory of God and rather be giving glory to Satan himself! Any jealousy for the glory of God that is not drenched and soaked with the love, mercy and grace of God for ALL souls is a false jealousy produced by the lies of the spirits of ANTI-mercy and ANTI-grace.
I used to think that I had Truth because I was a seeker of Truth and those who are in error just arent true seekers of truth so God has handed them over to believe a lie? Although one may be able to point to Scripture to defend such a view, it is a view to my own shame that is stinking with spiritual pride and is a favorite trick of ANTI-mercy and ANTI-grace! The truth is that any Truth you have received, you have received purely by the mercy and grace of God! Not that you deserved it or did anything to merit yourself worthy to receive Truth and others have not the truth is that we all deserve nothing but to burn in hell for all of eternity under the eternal wrath of God for our sin and rebellion against a Holy God and anything we have more then that is purely by the grace and mercy of God. ANTI-mercy and ANTI-grace love to cause us to lose site of this fact and cause us to walk in spiritual pride and condemn those who have received less Truth then we perceive we have ourselves. Have you ever took a staunch position on a doctrine or theological view to later change your mind due to recent revelation from God? How dare us then condemn others based on our current perceived theological or doctrinal views.
I speak from personal experience having been under the influence of such spirits myself and publicly repent for such terrible sin. Please consider this as loving and gentle yet very serious warning from the Lord! When I was under the influence of such spirits as judgmentalism, criticism, ANTI-mercy and ANTI-grace my entire knowledge of God and Jesus Christ had been perverted. If I was to stand before the judgment seat in that state, there is a good chance that the God I would be standing before would not have been the god I thought I knew! Brothers and sister, in this terrible time of lukewarness, false gospels and prophets, error and darkness, we need to stop putting our focus on the error and rather preach the truth in love, concern, mercy and grace. We need to stop focusing on other true brothers and sisters who preach the truth of the Word of God and the true Gospel of Jesus Christ picking apart their theology, doctrine, methods, styles, motives, faults and errors but rather REPENT and turn our focus to Christ. Let us focus on Christ and He will work His love, grace, mercy, patience and longsuffering in our lives through the Holy Spirit, thus making us effective witnesses and lights to those around us caught up in sin or the errors we see today. When we put and keep our focus on Christ and Christ being formed in us the light and sweet fragrance and aroma of the love of Jesus will emanate from our lives and effect and change those around us who the Lord has called us to be witnesses. The hour is late my friends REPENT and turn to Jesus putting all your focus, heart, mind, soul and strength on Him. Keep your eyes and heart on Christ!
Here are some other resources on the subject
[b]ARE YOU HOLDING HANDS WITH SATAN OR JESUS Zac Poonen[/b]
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=16597
[b]BEWARE OF THE ANGERY WATCHMAN Carter Conlon[/b]
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=16014
God bless,
Patrick Ersig
www.revivalarmy.com
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|  2008/3/31 17:25 | Profile | psalm1
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| | Re: An Open Public Confession | | Brother, That is extremely moving and inspiring!!!
Yes Lord expose us all and reveal any cursed seed in our hearts, let your Holy Spirit plow us thoroughly and bring forth fruit of repentance.
Shine your searchlight on us and bring deep conviction of things hidden
Yes Lord have your way and cause us to be true soldiers and walk in love.
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Online! | | Re: | | Dear Brother,
I have not read the entire article but what I have read is very good so far. I look forward to reading it fully. I am on the road right now in western canada.
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| | 2008/3/31 17:52 | Profile | moreofHim
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| | Re: confession | | Patrick,
I don't come on here much anymore- but I am so glad I stopped by to read what you wrote here! All I can say is THANK YOU for being humble and honest and teachable.
I can relate to all that you said here. I am grieved at how much I see of this among Christians- but then again I am no better. The Lord is still working on me, breaking me of my critical attitudes and replacing them with genuine love.
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"No matter how clearly you understand God's truth or how capable you are of bringing truth to bear upon a person's life, if you don't love the people you're talking to, if you don't have a broken heart for the people that you're trying to share truth with, you are wasting your time. Your words are just like clanging in their ears." -James MacDonald (Lord, Change My Attitude Before It's Too Late)
Bless you and may he continue His good work in your life!
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| | 2008/3/31 18:45 | Profile |
| | Re: An Open Public Confession | | Thank you, brother Patrick. There is much to ponder here and I need to examine my own heart afresh to see if any of these attitudes have found lodging in my life. |
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| | Re: | | because I posted some untrue information regarding Patrick's ownership of a website I have deleted it this post. |
| | 2008/4/1 1:36 | | Christisking
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| | Re: | | sscott your post is both slanderous and misinformed lies against me. I would expect both your repentance and apology. I understand that you did this of ignorance from a slanderous email Josef Urban had sent out to his email list about me.
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The only problem is Patrick used to preach the Gospel and now preaches and promotes demonic works of the flesh as a means of "promoting Christ".
This is untrue. Anyone can go to either one of my ministry sites and see what it is that I have always preached and still preach to this day from my audio sermons and videos.
www.revivalarmy.com and www.streetrevival.org
I have just said in a recent post the only way of promoting Christ is through the power and unction of the Holy Spirit and upon that I always have and will continue to stand.
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It seems like Patrick is coming against discernment because anyone who watches his videos from his new website will discern what spirit they are of.
Here are some videos from Patricks New Ministry Website (or at least a site he's heavely featured on and goes by the name "Big Disciple"). Watch these videos of what is called "KRUMP" dancing as a way of Uplifting Christ Name. He is also holding a ministry "event" where Krump dancers will be competing for a $500 cash prize.http://iestreetdynasty.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=43&Itemid=26
http://iestreetdynasty.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=56&Itemid=26
Here's the home page of his site: http://iestreetdynasty.com/
This is also untrue and slanderous information from Josef's recent email of which none of these things has he ever spoken to me about personal - all speculation, un-righteous judgment and conclusions that result in slander. I am not heavily featured on that site (only three videos), but the kids whose website this is want those videos of me on the site because they like, respect and are being effected by my preaching. I have help them with their site just as I have helped others with their website and am help a lady who sells jewelry with her website. I will post a portion my response to Josefs slanderous letter sinces these accusation from sscott come directly from that letter.
1) First of all, the iestreetdynasty youtube site is not my site that belongs to Tyre and Sylvester who come down to Skid Row with us sometimes and come to Bible study at the house. Since I have been ministering to them both Tyre and Sylvester have now quit dancing and are focusing on God, Bible study and youth ministry. Saying this is my site is a lie.
2) Also, I have not launched a new ministry site or a new ministry, my ministry sites are the same as always revivalarmy.com and streetrevival.org iestreetdynasty.com is Tyre, Sylvester and Alexs site. It is not even a ministry except for a sort of dummy or front site for the promotion of youth events where various ministers will come and preach the pure gospel truth to those who attend. I will preach at least one of them and as many as I can in the future. I will most certainly release the audio and/or video so people can judge by the message preached. I have no problem with what they do to draw a crowd as long as it is not sin and a dance contest for money is not sin.
3) Big Disciple is not a new name I have taken to be hip or cool but it is a name that the groups of youth I minister to decided on their own to call me and it is an honor that they think of in that way it is no different than if the people you ministered to in Mexico gave you a nick name based on what you are and what you do and put it on one of their websites.
4) We have and still do some dance on Skid Row but not much and very little rap, mostly praise and worship music and preaching. Most of the Skid Row footage from Tyres youtube is from one day and thats the most dance we have ever done. We want to make sure the kids that go down with us are focused on witnessing, passing out tracks, talking and praying with people NOT dancing so we limit the dance to a short time and many times no at all.
As I said above, I am not concerned with how one draws a crowd, but rather the message being preached. I will help with and preach at events that draw crowds in any way that is not sin and preach the pure gospel truth in the power and unction of the Holy Spirit. I am still and always have been completely against the seeker-sensitive gospel and any type of cultural relevance where the message of the gospel is watered down, sugar coated, or altered in any way shape or form.
Please feel my heart on this below is a quote from a post I made on another topic which helps to explain my position. Please dont allow this unfortunate slander detract from the message in the original post infact this type of slander and judgmentalism is just what I am talking about.
I have asked the moderators to delete this slanderous post but please dont delete the topic or lock the post because I feel the original post could help many, even Josef and sscott. If any one has any questions or concerns about the message I am preaching or my involvement with any ministry please feel free to contact me with questions and concerns at [email protected]
God bless,
Patrick
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The only thing that will ever draw anyone to Christ is the Holy Spirit Himself and one of His methods is the un-compromising preaching of the Word of God in the power and unction of the Holy Spirit. Now as far as drawing people to hear that preaching, that would be a matter of ones own convictions Booth and the early Salvation Army would march down the street with circus style brass band Finney would do similar and they received condemnation from the religious and the Pharisees of their day. To condemn someone for using a certain method to draw a crowd whether it be food, music, dollar bills for trivia questions (like Ray Comfort) drama, dance or whatever as long as it wasnt sin, would be legalistic, judmental and narrow minded.
The same goes for music God has used many different forms of music to reach the masses with His word over the centuries from pub songs in William Booths times to hymns, rock, country, heavy rock, and even modern rap. In fact many of the Christian rappers are todays most uncompromising and hard-hitting holiness preachers, and God has used their music to tear down the false prosperity gospel, to destroy the false easy believe-ism modern gospel of our day and to touch and change the lives of countless young and old of all classes. Again to condemn the style of music that God is using whether it be pub songs or rap would be extremely legalistic, judgmental and again, narrow minded.
I myself have used rap and/or dance on the inner-city street of Detroit, Kansas City, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Skid Row and in the projects of Southern California to draw crowds and preach the truth. But most importantly the uncompromising truth of the Word of God, repentance, holiness, the Cross and the pure gospel truth is always preached in the power and unction of the Holy Spirit and many lives are touched and changed by the power of God as seeds are planted, watered, and glory be to God, harvested! There is a man who lives down the street from me who goes into Mexico with a band and uses some of the most awful, sensual (in my opinion), horrible Mexican cultural music I have ever heard. But when the words are translated he sings about sin, righteousness, judgment and repentance. He draws crowds and preaches repentance and judgment. He may dislike rap every bit as much as I dislike his mariachi/salsa type music, but woe be unto me or him to come against the pure gospel truth from being preached based on our musical or cultural likes or dislikes. I know some people personally who have degenerated to the point where they think the only acceptable type of music is hymns instead of singing and praising God with a pure heart. And even worse they push their own convictions on others and views others who sing and praise God with a pure heart as less then holy because of the style of music in which they sing. If one has a personal conviction of hymns only then by all means just sing hymns, but to push your personal conviction onto others is again extremely legalistic and narrow minded.
We need to focus on the message being preached not the method used to draw those who are being preached to. If the message is the uncompromising truth of the Word of God preached in the power and unction of the Holy Spirit, then woe be unto you to condemn the way or even the reason those being preached to were gathered together. The same goes with music we need to listen to the lyrics or message being preached and if it is a message of true repentance, holiness or a message that is in line with the Word of God then woe be unto you to condemn the style of music in which that message was brought.
If one has personal conviction against a certain type of music then dont listen to it or use it, or a method to draw a crowd then dont do it, but God forbid you put God into a legalistic box and push your convictions onto others.
If you are making a compilations or gathering info against a false gospel or false message being preached then praise God and amen!!! But if you are making a compilations or gathering info against what you feel in your own opinion and personal conviction to be a wrong method (unless the method is sinful) or a certain style of music then you are walking a dangerous and slippery slope of legalism, judgmental-ism, criticism, Pharisee-ism, self-righteousness and spiritual pride.
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Some are preaching out of jealousy and rivalry. But others preach about Christ with pure motives. They preach because they love me, for they know the Lord brought me here to defend the Good News. Those others do not have pure motives as they preach about Christ. They preach with selfish ambition, not sincerely, intending to make my chains more painful to me. But whether or not their motives are pure, the fact remains that the message about Christ is being preached, so I rejoice. And I will continue to rejoice.
(Php 1:15-18)
If the Truth is being preached we should be as Paul and rejoice in the fact that the Christ is being preached whether we agree with the methods, motives, and style of music or not. Lets focus our attention on those preaching a false gospel and a false message and not nit pick in our fleshy legalism and self righteousness over the styles and methods of those who preach the uncompromising truth.
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| | 2008/4/1 3:43 | Profile |
| | Re: | | If that is not Patrick's personal site, as in the owner of it, my stance is still firm because:
1. He built it.
2. His name is ALL over it (was all over it till he just changed it).
3. It was his first and last name under the "contact" section. Also it was his name to contact for the "buck" event (evidently he just changed that too).
4. His videos are on it, with his name as both Patrick and "Minister Big Disciple".
5. His kids are krump dancing in the videos, and in those videos that web site address is posted on them.
6. He is personally in one of the videos on the site where someone is krump dancing, standing on the sideline saying, "Come on", cheering them on.
7. He has krump dancing video on his personal ministry youtube preaching channel (obeyjesus) proving he is in full agreement with it. (which my videos are on too and he has refused to take them down at my request).
The fact is, Patrick:
-YOU BUILT THE SITE AND AGREE WITH IT (or else you wouldn't build it)
-YOU HAVE EMBRACED KRUMP DANCING AND ARE PROMOTING IT AS PROVEN BY THE VIDEOS (since you are clearly in one cheering on a dancer and your son dances in another one)
And not only all this, but by your own admission, you condone it enough to see no wrong in it, and are going to keep preaching at these events. This is what I figured you were doing (I certainly didn't image that YOU would be dancing). Your stamp of approval on all this is sad. You are certainly trying to portray a false image to people as if you don't embrace this stuff, and you do.
This is sad to see you fall so hard and lose all discernment. And anyone who seeks to correct you is just a "pharisee" or "self-righteous" or "judgmental".
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sscott your post is both slanderous and misinformed lies against me. I would expect both your repentance and apology.
Patrick, since you say that is not your site then I repent and publicly apologize for assuming it was. I should have checked with you first and not assumed. It was wrong for me to do so and I ask you to forgive me for this.
But brother, you are featured all over that site and for stating that I cannot repent. You are in more than three videos. You appear in krump dancing videos as well (though not dancing http://iestreetdynasty.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=26 ). Also, the only downloadable track is an anthem to Big Disciple. I won't assume those kids in the video are yours because I've don't know them (even though Josef in his post says they are). I'll ask you directly. Are those your kids in the video krump dancing and dancing on the sidelines? If they are then not only are you featured on the videos and site but you family as well showing you approve of it and encourage your children to partake of it as well.
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I have just said in a recent post the only way of promoting Christ is through the power and unction of the Holy Spirit and upon that I always have and will continue to stand.
If the only way of promoting Christ is through the power of the Holy Spirit then why are you turning to the ways of the world?
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Since I have been ministering to them both Tyre and Sylvester have now quit dancing and are focusing on God, Bible study and youth ministry.
So are you saying that you use Krump dancing and then come against it and lead men out of it?
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As I said above, I am not concerned with how one draws a crowd, but rather the message being preached.
So it sounds like you're saying the end justifies the means. Right?
Can you please explain how Krump dancing Glorifies the Lord Jesus Christ?
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| | 2008/4/1 5:12 | | Christisking
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| | Re: | | Actually, this is perfect because it goes to show exactly what I am talking about in the original post. Read the above post from Josef and compare it to the original post and the compilation from Zac Poonen and the message from Cater Conlon and you will see exactly what I am talking about. Do you see love and concern and mercy or grace in the post by Josef or accusations and attempts to prove his opinion and condemn those who disagree with his opinion even thought they are brothers in Christ preaching the pure uncompromising Gospel truth of Gods Word. In fact, it may even be good if the moderators just leave the whole thing up for it just goes to add credibility to the original post and the Zac compilation and Carter Conlon message along with it. I have nothing to hide and even provided contact information for anyone who had any questions or concerns. I freely admit that I helped to build that site and am ministering to the ones asked me to build it for them and will minister at the events whenever I can. I am also helping to build a jewelry website and my name and contact info will be on that site to for a week or so because I am the installer of the template and of the Joomla programs, but no I am not starting a jewelry making business sorry to say - so dont jump to silly conclusions. I also admit that we still do some dance on Skid Row and rap like I said I have nothing to hide. There is some krump dancing that is bad no doubt, but krump has its origins in the inner-city churches and there are dancers who dance truly to worship God out of a pure heart. I saw some footage from the Jesus people movement back in the sixties with some of the hippies that Chuck Smith was ministering to dancing and twirling around and praising God to Christian hippie music this is no different and a bet Chuck received his fair share of judgment and criticism. My ministry is still focused down on Skid Row where the Lord had sent us in the first place, but I also have a whole slew of youth in the area that I have been and will continue to minister to in word, weekly Bible study and holiness, separation from the world, true repentance, self denial, the Cross, the gifts and fruit of the Spirit, forsaking all and the true Gospel and love of Christ. Some of them do dance and they do it unto the Lord with no sexual overtones or moves in fact much of their dance moves have spiritual and Biblical significance and it is done with a pure heart of worship before God. In this case to condemn them would be exactly like Davids wife who condemned and judged him for dancing before God with a pure heart because she thought his dancing was unholy. The fact is that most who read this have never meet any of these kids who do dance and have no idea what their heart is before God this is very dangerous thing to do and whether you except it or not it is highly legalistic and judgmental and a perfect example of what the original post talks about. Even if the majority of these dancers are not right with God, dont have pure motives before God, are living in sin, friends of the world and even as it has been suggested demonically inspired, I will continue to love them, preach to them, reach out to them, strive with them in mercy and grace and minister to them the pure uncompromising Gospel truth of the word of God in the power and unction of the Holy Spirit until I see Christ formed in them or as long as they will put up with me whether Josef or anyone agrees or not, you can condemn me and throw stones all you want but I am not on this earth to please man but God and it Gods desire that all come to repentance and are saved yes even hip hop inner-city krumps kids and I will reach them with what ever means it takes as long as it not sinful and the message of the Gospel is not compromised in any way shape or form.
As I said before, I am not concerned with how one draws a crowd, but rather the message being preached. I will help with and preach at events that draw crowds in any way that is not sin and preach the pure gospel truth in the power and unction of the Holy Spirit. I am still and always have been completely against the seeker-sensitive gospel and any type of cultural relevance where the message of the gospel is watered down, sugar coated, or altered in any way shape or form.
Please read my pervious post and listen to at least the compilation by Zac Poonen
ARE YOU HOLDING HANDS WITH SATAN OR JESUS Zac Poonen
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=16597
God bless,
Patrick
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Patrick Ersig
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